Starting warbands - Post them here! (Read first post, plz)

Starting with less than the maximum number of Heroes is unacceptable. For any warband.

Seriously, you need every single Hero otherwise you will heavily suffer in the income phase and won't be able to buy new warriors and equipment. Dwarfs can already start with only 4 instead of the usual 5 Heroes. Taking even less would be an immense disadvantage.

Also, if you browse one page back, you can see some starting lists for the CD, that were posted recently.

Next to my succesfull Averland warband, including Heller, my Bergjaeger with Bs 6, Quick shot and trick shooter equiped with a longbow and hunting arrows, I'm working on a new warband, and this time it's Skaven. I've never played anything Skaven before, not even in Warhammer, so I was totaly new to them.

This is what I came up with:

Assassin Adept (60), 72
- Dagger
- Sling 2
- Sword 10

Black Skaven (40), 75
- Fighting claws, 35

Black Skaven (40), 75
- Fighting claws, 35

Eshin Sorcerer (45), 45
- Dagger

Nightrunner (20), 22
- Dagger
- Sling 2

Nightrunner (20), 22
- Dagger
- Sling 2

2 Verminkin (40), 60
- Dagger
- Spears 20

2 Verminkin (40), 66
- Dagger
- Sword 20
- Club 6

4 Giant rats (60), 60

497 Gold Crowns

I was told Fighting Claws on your Black Skaven was the way to go, so that's what i started with. Slings seem very useful too, so I got them for my Nightrunners and Assassin Adept, since they have the best Bs of my heroes. Then I got a Sorcerer for the extra income and I love wizards.

For my henchmen I choose 4 Giant Rats for screening, and then I choose 2 groups of Verminkin. The Sword/Club combination is a great one, 2 attacks, parry, and one attack with a greater chance to stun. The Spears I got cause I'll be playing a lot against humans, and they have only I3 most of the time, so I can get a good advantage from the I4 of the Verminkin.

What do you think?

Looks playable .
The fighting claws are a matter of personal taste, they are good but prevent you from using any other weapons - so you can´t give your black skaven ranged weapons. I prefer to give them swords and slings.
Nightrunners with their low weaponskill benefit most from swords, if you have money to spare give them some (but this is low priority).
Depending on the spell you get you might want t give your sorceror a
ranged weapon (in all likelihood he won´t cast every turn, so give him something to do).
I always put my starting henchmen into one-man (or rat ) groups to maximise my chances to get another hero (irrelevant for skaven unless you want to replace the night runners) or good advances like a second attack. And i like to keep them expendable, so luxury items like swords are a no go for me. More models are always better than equipment, at least early in a campaign. I would drop the swords and one giant rat in order to get another verminkin (giant rats don´t get XP, so start your verminkin early on the road to advancement).
Equipping some more models with slings would also raise your combat power and versatility, but don´t overdo it as it is not much fun to play against maxed skaven.

Here is my marauder warband I plan on playing today. I think I took Cianti's advice and maxed out the number of heroes. Thanks in advance for any help with this list.



MARAUDER WARBAND 499

Heroes 304

-1. Chieftain w/ hammer 98, dagger

-2. Seer w/ sword 55, dagger – mark of the serpent

-3. Condemned 55

-4. x2 Champions (45) 2x hammers each, 102, daggers



Henchmen 210

-5. 3x Marauders, 1 hammer each, 114 daggers

-5. 5x Warhounds 75


I removed your black font colour as it was very unreadable. Try to avoid such colours in the future.
- cianty

Which tribe did you choose?

So are you playing marauders or chaos dwarfs now?

trying both Marauders and Chaos Dwarfs. Tribe? Question: Marauders List special skill CHOSEN OF CHAOS says use max profile for "Warriors of Chaos" - where can I find this? My friend just put max characteristics for Possessed - is that wrong? Thanks

I am currently converting my Chaos Dwarf warband (pics to follow - in the correct forum of course) so i have to use dwarf proxy models

The tribes of Chaos are listed at the end of the warband after the spell lists.

The Warriors of Chaos profile is on page one of the warband rules, directly below the Marauders profile.

First time playing and seeing if this looks good for a RD band for a campaign.

Lich(Shield - We are using the +1AS House rule) - Rolled Lifestealer and Spell of Doom 130g
Necro(Short Bow and Hammer) Spell of Doom 48g
Grave Guards x 3 (Short Bow and Hammer x 2) 138g
Wights x3(Short Bow and Hammer x 2) 123 - Split into 3 henchman groups.
Zombie x 4 60g

499g

I figure this gives me 12 for my max war band size. I went with the shortbows for having a large amount of mediocre range if needed but I could drop short bows for some longbows just on the GG's.

First time using these forums and looking for some feedback/discussion on a Lizardmen starting warband. I have played them a few times before, but never used the "Mark of the Old Ones" for the Saurus Hero. (The mark is 50gc and allows the player to change one of the models failed dice roles into a succesfull one once per battle). I feel like using it now, but want to keep as much models as possible (quantity > quality), but the following warband proposal might be a bit low on equipment. Looking forward to comments

========== Heroes ==========

Skink Priest - - - - - - - 60
short bow - - - - - - - - 5
reptile poisson - - - - - - 5

Saurus Totem warrior - - 60
shield + sword - - - - - - 15
Mark of the Old Ones - - - 50

Skink Great Crests - - - - 30
short bow - - - - - - - - - 5

Skink Great Crests - - - - 30
short bow - - - - - - - - - 5

========== Henchmen =========

Saurus brave - - - - - - - 40
spear + shield - - - - - - - 15

Saurus brave - - - - - - - 40
spear + shield - - - - - - - 15

Saurus brave - - - - - - - 40
sword + free dagger - - - 10

Skink Brave - - - - - - - - 20
short bow - - - - - - - - - 5

Skink Brave - - - - - - - - 20
short bow - - - - - - - - - 5

Skink Brave - - - - - - - - 20
short bow - - - - - - - - - 5

========================

(rule: there can't be more saurus braves than skink barves in warband)

What could be changed?

- I could drop a saurus, replace it with a skink and use the extra 25 to 30 gc for extra daggers and poisson for the skink heroes

- The mark could be dropped and with that 50 gc I could buy an extra skink brave and poisson and extra equipment for heroes

- small possible change: I could drop the reptile poisson for priest and get the two skink heroes an extra dagger to have two attacks to take knocked down models out of action, or just to have a better change should they accidentally get involved in combat.

- Other idea?

Looking forward to feedback and discussion : )

I'd drop the spears on the saurus I think. They won't achieve much with the low initiative value of saurus warriors. Buying clubs or axes instead would save you a few gold to buy weapons for models that only have their free dagger.

Spears mean my saurus will strike first when charged, irrespective of initiative value. How is initiative a factor specific to spears?

For warriors that will be in combat all the time I find clubs or axes insuffiecient. The -1 AS for the axe isn't that valuable I find, then I'd rather pay 5gc more and go for swords wih their wonderfull parry rule (the better and cheaper statistical equivalent of light armor) and nicely 'bladed' as well for critical hits. But then again spears are as expensive and also very neat!

But thanks for the idea, all views are welcome!

The spear rules changed during the last rules review. They now grant "strikes first". If two models have "strikes first" (charger vs spear-armed model) then the order of striking is resolved by initiative. Saurus don't do well there.

Ahaa! Then I think I should first of all fully read the reviewed rules (and review the warbands equipment) Thanks for the clarification! (Damnit, I just spent a few hours painting my spear armed saurus... )

Just wondering if someone could take a look at the restless dead band I posted a few back. It's my first time doing miniatures but it seemed like a good setup.

Your wish is my command lord of slack!
Your list for the restless dead is basically very sound, if i were to play them i would only make some minor changes (but that is more personal taste than anything else).
Try to include a fourth wight. They are your only experience-getting henchmen and every type of undead warband needs as many of those as possible.
You could drop a zombie, all the second hammers (just use your free dagger as the off-hand weapon, it is only marginally less effective) and would free 27 gc.
For the last gold needed you could either drop the shield or one of the shortbows. While both ideas are very sound (you need ranged combat to keep your opponent honest and protection for your leader is also a good thing) you probably won´t need either in your first game. Just buy them later in your campaign. You will probably have enough money as you already have 12 warriors - your allowed maximum warband size.

Hmm. From the website it said 0-3 for the number of Wights. Did they Errata the number to something higher?

lordofslack wrote:

Hmm. From the website it said 0-3 for the number of Wights. Did they Errata the number to something higher?

Nope. 0-3 is correct.

Oops, i did not see that . Then your original list s even more sound than i thought...and my idea is illegal!

Well thanks for the feedback even if you did tell me to cheat.

looking putting together a possessed warband

i've done a few builds, but this one is my favorite so far its got 10 members with 3 heros
i know people are gunna bitch about me not starting with any possessed, but i'm gunna go with the numbers and save up for nice big possessed guys a game or two later. i plan on using my mutants as expendable units (getting as many knock downs with the clubs and OOA with the spines), and try to blitz my way through the biggining games for money, putting my beastmen on the flanks while running my magister and 1 brethren around combat peppering enemies with arrows and magic.

Magister (spear,bow) 95
mutant (spines 2x club) 66
mutant (spines 2x club) 66

227

brethan (bow) 40
brethren (club) 28
brethren (club) 28
brethren (club) 28

beastmen (club) 48
beastmen (2x clubs) 51
beastmen (2x clubs) 51

274

501

If you treat the mutants as expendable then you won't be earning much cash. With only 3 heroes you will need to protect them well. Keep them away from the bulk of the fighting or they will get taken out of action and therefore you would get fewer rolls on exploration.

tuxedokman wrote:

i plan on using my mutants as expendable units

I'd disagree with this approach. You'll already be behind the eightball for cash with only 3 heroes so if you lose one of these guys, it'll be even worse.

In this style of warband, I'd probably go cheap on the mutants with Daemon Soul and bows and have them hang back with the Magister while you (a) gather enough gold for Possessed and (b) gain a Beastman Lad roll or two. Even though your cash flow will be lower than other 'bands at the start, it's offset by having 10 models from the get go. With the Beastmen, it's much better defensively than an average starting band, so you should end up able to save most of your gold for a few games without worry of falling too far behind the other bands.

I'd guess that biggest concern might be the experience the Possessed will miss by not being the first games. But that might be offset by lucky rolls and a couple Beastman heroes ?

I'd rather go with hooves than demonsoul, and work on racing the mutants to objectives. That was my original build. I went into these builds with a non traditional out look on possessed.

Just a short question.

I'm thinking of fielding 3 of my 4 witchhunters with sword/brace of pistols. It's expencive, but it gives them a very good chance to kill a lot. Or would it be better to just give them swords?