ranged warriors

Eh... sorry to be questioning a perhaps quite dumb question here, but more for clarification;

If my Marienburger Swordsman get the TLGT result, ha CAN'T pick the "Strenght" list as one of the two (seeing as it isnt availible to the other heroes)?

Or have i misunderstood it completely?

(Im a big noob on the rules and just have started to playtested the game with my younger brother but we read it like I was allowed to that list)

Most of us interpret the rules as saying no, your promoted fellow cannot take it because none of the other Marienberger heroes can take Strength skills. Lord O is arguing for a different interpretation (see previous page).

My suggestion is you talk it over with your group. Even if you accept the rules as written as prohibiting it, if everyone is agreeable you could use Lord O's interpretation as a house rule.

@Soulblight: As Mweaver says, In my group you and your brother's interpretation is the one we use. And, indeed, in my Marienberger warband it is exactly that example that is the most common - a Swordsman that takes Strength and Combat to become the warband's nutcracker hero i.e. a hero that specialises in punching through high T/high AS enemies.

However, because he is a TLGT hero, he does not play quite like other warbands that can just *buy* their S heroes. He is a rare and prized hero that is only sent into combat when absolutely needed to be, and until then is often guarded by the more expendable henchmen and youngbloods. Indeed, even the champions are known to throw themselves in the line of fire to keep the nutcracker safe until he can make it to the Possessed or the Dwarf Lord with a 1+ armour save.

@Lord 0... I can see what your interpretation (house rules?) would be fun!

I am baffled. In my rule book the Marienburger captain can choose from any skill path. The Marienburg Captain is a hero, thus Marienburger LGTs could choose Strength skills.

The thread thickens!

Don't have my stuff with me, so can't check.

All Mercenery Captains can choose from all 5 basic lists (Strength, Shooting, Combat, Speed, Academic).

So the LGT can choose two of them. There is no need for a houserule. A houserule would it be, if you allow a beastmen LGT (Posessed) to take Shooting.

Well, we use the interpretation to allow speed skills for dwarfs and Academic skills for orcs and shooting skills for beastmen too. Seems to make things more fun.

The idea of a studious orc does make me smile.

You can model on little glasses and everything.

Hilarious indeed would the Sherlock Holmes-ork be!! (yeah, got that picture in my mind when i thought on a orc that is "smart" and brewing potions etc)

So hang on, would that mean we (Lord O and me so to speak) be "right" in how we are making our Heros?

If thats the case then Huraaaay!!! Im growing fond of him! If not, well, then it isnt the end of the world..
Im having fun in any case =)

Personally however i dont see the problem, as Lord O said, he (the strong Marienburger in this case) is something of a rare hero and if he bites the dust hes lost. Same the fast dwarf and the other.

Well, in my circle we believe it is a valid interpretation and, indeed, the most compelling interpretation. YMMV.

My group thought it seemed odd that TLGT heroes wouldn't get their racial skills for free (not one of their two skill choices). That sort of thing just seems inherent.

We're considering letting TLGT humans, who are usually described as the most versatile/adaptable race, take three trees to make up for their lack of special rules and moderate stats.

Might be a little too good, though. I mean the Elder races are supposed to be superior, right?

It is not just elder races like Dwarfs and Elves that get skills. Skaven, Sisters, Ostlanders, Orcs, and a few other human mercenary warbands get access to special skills. For what it is worth, in my circle we use the interpretation that warbands with a special skill table to access that table in addition to their two chosen tables as well. It has always worked for us.

It *might* be a little too good, but then again it might not. One way to tell is if people are having their TLGT heroes constantly die. If you are finding that people are killing off their hero to replace them with TLGT heroes then you have probably made them too good . Try it and see. Just remember to play quietly so the games police don't come and arrest you .

Soulblight wrote:

Hilarious indeed would the Sherlock Holmes-ork be!! (yeah, got that picture in my mind when i thought on a orc that is "smart" and brewing potions etc)

So hang on, would that mean we (Lord O and me so to speak) be "right" in how we are making our Heros?

If thats the case then Huraaaay!!! Im growing fond of him! If not, well, then it isnt the end of the world..
Im having fun in any case =)

Personally however i dont see the problem, as Lord O said, he (the strong Marienburger in this case) is something of a rare hero and if he bites the dust hes lost. Same the fast dwarf and the other.

Just to try to make things clear:

No matter which interpretation you use (Lord O's or the one most other uses), your Marienburger LGT hero can have access to Strength skills.

With Lord O's interpretation, Orc LGT heroes can have Academic skills whereas with the other interpretation, they can not.

I believe that the general concessus is that Orc LGT heroes CAN'T have Academic skills. It is up to you to choose what your interpretation and more importantly, what you think is fun is.