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PostSubject: Painting Black?   Painting Black? Icon_minitimeMon 20 Jul 2009 - 20:41

So, when I painted my magister before I planned on making the warband have black clothes with blue details on them. (See here: http://www.tabletopgeeks.com/svenns-possessed-warband/ ). What I have so far looks decent, but it's too flat and almost looks unpainted. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm thinking that the best thing to do right now would be to use a gray to highlight the clothes so it's not so flat. Is that enough? Any other tips for using black in a model without making it look unfinished?
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PostSubject: Re: Painting Black?   Painting Black? Icon_minitimeMon 20 Jul 2009 - 21:35

My high school art teacher once told me never to use flat black as it looks extremely unrealistic. Instead mix a really dark blue and use that -- with red, yellow, and blue of course.

The black paint you are using is probably a synthetic or fabricated pigment that is extremely black. If you go to the store and check out any "black" clothing, even black ninja suits, you'll find they really aren't quite black. They are dark grey, very dark grey.

In the days of mordheim there probably wasn't black dye. If there was, it was probably just dark blue. I would venture to say that an extremely dark blue would look real nice on your models. You could probably convince me without any effort that your warband somehow managed to create or get ahold of the deepest darkest black dye (After all, they have a posessed with a tentacle for an arm -- anything is possible). That won't change the fact that flat black looks quite bland.

Get a second opinion as i've never actually painted a flat black section on a model, so I may be going in the wrong direction. It may be just as easy as highlighting with a grey/dark-grey color.
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PostSubject: Re: Painting Black?   Painting Black? Icon_minitimeMon 20 Jul 2009 - 22:03

The best way to handle black is to avoid using it Suspect . However, if you insist, as rain pointed out, a VERY dark blue over a black base & highlighted with a lighter blue will give a black impression. Payne's Grey is about as dark a blue as you can get.
For a faded black I've been dry brushing charcoal over black, then doing a black wash, & finally rehighlighting with the charcoal. Charcoal is a dark greyish brown.
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PostSubject: Re: Painting Black?   Painting Black? Icon_minitimeTue 21 Jul 2009 - 19:49

on my night goblins i have has good effect painting a base coat of codex gray over black, leaving black in the recesses. Then i hit it with 2-3 coats of badab black wash followed by a stark codex grey lining around the edges.

Take a look: The one on the right has the final touch grey highlights while the one on the left does not. Hope that helps!
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(i noticed that when i type i waver from grey to gray, it's all the years of reading UK authored articles in White Dwarf!)
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PostSubject: Re: Painting Black?   Painting Black? Icon_minitimeTue 21 Jul 2009 - 23:46

from chaos black i mixed c black with codex grey for my highlight/depth color

it is a darker effect but the flash brought it out a little more then in normal light

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PostSubject: Re: Painting Black?   Painting Black? Icon_minitimeWed 22 Jul 2009 - 0:09

I used always grey. One day I thought it's too grey, so I washed the mini black. Since then I used grey for highlighting black and black wash.

Here, one of my mountainguards (sorry for not the best quality of the pics, but I made them very fast)

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