A thread for the collection of finished miniatures

Works In Progress go in the Painting & Modelling section not in the Gallery.

There we go then, problem solved.

All warbands/works that arnt entirely finished SHOULD be put into the P&M thread. constantly updating threads I believe should be placed in the P&M.

I believe that having a single post with every model should be the only thread with mini's posted on the miniature section with the rest being comments. Expanding warbands should (as above) be in the P&M so there isnt a constant bumping and addition of more models (leading to MORE posts gained).

Skavenblight is an example of what I mean. Now she isnt the only one and I am only bringing this example to light because its the top thread. The warband has constantly been added to over the space of over 3 weeks and I feel that this is not a finished work. Though the models are all painted, the warband is not finished and should have been posted in the P&M until all the warband was complete and then all the pictures should be in a single post (the first post of the thread)

I dont want to appear to be a fun nazi, but it is mildly irritating as the "finished works" thread is being constantly updated.

Though I am one person and i'd hate to kill what has been working so well. Its just my oppinion, feel free to expand/ kick down.

mrbretonnia wrote:

While I do agree older warbands do deserve praise. The amount of praising going on is so great it is stealing the attention from newer warbands.

I simply do not think so. Maybe you need to give a concrete example.

mrbretonnia wrote:

It will either require a new thread possibly called "Works in Progress!!!!!!!111one Shift+3" and leave the miniature thread for finished works, as it is ment to be if you read the gallery description.

Well, there is the Painting and Modelling section for WIP. The gallery IS for finished project only. I know that some threads in there are temporarily WIP too, as they feature older finished models and new not yet finished works. I am doing that too, but I never considered it to be a problem.

Let's take my scenery thread for example. I post my projects in there, WIP, until they're finished. I really wouldn't want to make individual posts for each project in there. If you want to see seperate threads for WIP and finsihed works, rather than WIP being updated with finsihed works, then you can't expect everyone to follow that rule (I know I'd hate to do so). Plus, this would double the number of threads, whereas having the development process of a project all in on thread is much more convenient for the reader. It's up to everyon to clean up their own threads by re-posting photos of the finished works in their initial post or putting a link to them in the thread further down.

mrbretonnia wrote:

All warbands/works that arnt entirely finished SHOULD be put into the P&M thread. constantly updating threads I believe should be placed in the P&M.

Unfortunately - no - fortunately(!) the world isn't black and white like that. You can't always say when a warband is finished. Again, let's take an example: I recently considered making a few new marauders for my marauders warband. Now what? When I post the plastic models in there before painting, should a mod then move the thread to Painting and Modelling because the warband just turned from "finished" to "wip"? That's silly. Also, I remember Underbheit's breaktaking [urlhttps://boringmordheimforum.forumieren.com/miniatures-f2/underbheit-s-undead-t470-75.htm#8290]Undead warband[/url]. In between, on page 4, he posted a pic of a Dreg conversion. Do you expect a mod to move the thread from gallery to P&M because such a pic pops up?

This only causes confusion and additional unnecessary work.

valid points in the addition of more work for the mod's which wouldnt be entirely fair.

How about these general guidelines?

Miniatures - only for painted models. any additions should be edited into the first post followed by a new post by the auther bumping it up. This would mean people wouldnt need to go through an entire thread of comments to find all the pictures. There is minimal effort required by any and all parites to provide an ease of use.

M&P - unpainted stuff. In a nut, anything that doesnt fall into the miniatures catagory.

Now I relise this topic is bouncing around abit, but thats how good things happen

EDIT: I have been in a lot of "black and white" forums so I am used to fine guidelines so I am still getting used to the slack (not in a negative sence) attitude of the forum as opposed to what im used to.

mrbretonnia wrote:

EDIT: I have been in a lot of "black and white" forums so I am used to fine guidelines so I am still getting used to the slack (not in a negative sence) attitude of the forum as opposed to what im used to.

That's part of why people (me, e.g.) like this forum. You don't get a warning for double posting, you don't get shit for posting something in the wrong forum and the structure is intuitive enough for people to find what they need without posters having to go "check, check, check - okay now I can post this there". You catch my drift. I wouldn't like to see a rules set being imposed for when and where you may post your pictures. This will only scare people off.

Alrighty, seems I must conceed to the ease of the forum and what you guys prefer (which I assume I will learn to love)

I still think a "hall of fame" for the golden tom's should be made...

Hm, I wrote a long post but as all things seem clear now, I let it rest...

As for the GT Hall of Fame: I am certain Tom will create one (he has said so several times already).

Now, who wants to create the yet to be named warband overview thread?

Eliazar wrote:

Now, who wants to create the yet to be named warband overview thread?

And that my friend is a discussion for another topic

I'll take care of it. I just need to check back with Master Tom.

cianty wrote:

I'll take care of it. I just need to check back with Master Tom.

I KNEW we could depend on you to SAVE the day [you're doing an admirable job of maintaining your position as my hero!]

I though I was your hero deaf (sulks about ruining white dwarfs)

mrbretonnia wrote:

I though I was your hero deaf (sulks about ruining white dwarfs)

You're up there, Mr.B.!

Hey guys!

I have read all your replies and followed this thread for a while.
I will adress the following issues that have been raised:

1. Gallery Index Thread
2. Golden Tom "Hall of Fame"

1. I understand mrbretonnia's point of view and it does make sense. He is suggesting that we make an index thread with thumbnails of the finished warbands + links to their corresponding "full" threads in the Gallery. This way, all warbands can be seen at once without having to scroll through all the "annoying" replies, and the (in some cases) 3+ pages thereof. Not a bad suggestion.

Originally, this is why we made a Gallery section (and "WIP" secionts). At that time - as Tortiou pointed out correctly - there were only a handful of members on the forum. Now we have 200+ and LOADS of fantastic submissions, and it does get a little confusing sometimes to browse through them.

The only reason why I am against an index thread is out of experience. On this forum, it has been tried many times to make "dynamic" index threads and 5 times out of 6 it failed miserably for the simple reason that the task just grows out of proportions (see "Player Location Thread", "Warbands Played Thread" etc etc... all dead, some removed already). This is not anyone's fault, it is just the way things are.

A forum is per se a dynamic thread that stays "up to date" because every fresh entry is (ideally) automatically being put where it belongs by the poster, if the cathegory system is well made. It is impossible to keep track of something that changes as quickly as the number of submitted warbands or the number of players registered and their hometowns.
No moderator (or Admin) will every be able to keep up and/or motivate himself to faithfully record EVERY change.

This is why I think an index thread for these things is a not a good idea. You can try to make one, but I bet my right hand that it will die within a month and get deleted by me or one of my mods. Scrolling through comments is just a necessary evil on every forum.

One last word on the "bumping" threads. I personally think it is lovely to see good old threads pop up again from time to time. Like blessedknight's pirate army for example. Every few weeks it pops up again and makes you marvel. I like that to be honest! I only close threads when questions have been answered and requests been met. Picture threads should not be closed.

2. I haven't finished thinking through how to present the "Golden Tom Hall of Fame", but a few things are almost certain: it will be a section in the "general" Gallery and will be locked for comments. Every single submission deserves praise and it gets it by being in this honorable special section. This doesn't stop you from discussing your favourites in other threads and linking to the pics. This section will probably also be locked to mods, but I still have to decide that.

Thank you for your time,
Admin Tom

Tom hath spoken.

On keeping track... I think you cannot compare an index thread with, for example, the player's location, as the index thread needs to be updated by either the starter or a mod every time a new warband is put in the gallery section, so the content of the updates is easily available to the updater. Whereas with the player's location, the content has to be given by the users for the updating people to update the thread, thus being more vulnerable to being forgotten...

Well, it would be doable if the creator of the warband thread could just post an entry in the index. This is, however, only possible for Mods and the Admin, meaning that they have to keep track of new threads. And making single posts in the index thread would result in an unsorted list that'd go against the intention of the thread.

Yes, I know. But as you, for example, are quite frequently online, it would not be too much of an issue, would it? And currently it's not as if there were dozens of new threads in the gallery to keep track of.

Eliazar wrote:

Yes, I know. But as you, for example, are quite frequently online, it would not be too much of an issue, would it? And currently it's not as if there were dozens of new threads in the gallery to keep track of.

Well, I keep TBMF open in my browser window. That does not mean that I have too much time on my hands. I do have some free time currently but I know that that will change soonish and we are looking for a realistic solution that will work even after tomorrow.

Hm. But don't you think that keeping up to date with new warbands once the iinitial post has been created and all warbands that are already there have been linked, it will only require like 10 minutes a week to keep on track?

Eliazar wrote:

Hm. But don't you think that keeping up to date with new warbands once the iinitial post has been created and all warbands that are already there have been linked, it will only require like 10 minutes a week to keep on track?

Possibly.

Eliazar wrote:

But don't you think that keeping up to date with new warbands [...]will only require like 10 minutes a week to keep on track?

You are right Eli and I appreciate your input. You seem to really have thought about the problem and I thank you for that.

Indeed it might only take 10mins to update an index thread, but there are so many other things for the mods and admin to look after that sometimes it's exactly the 10mins that you are short of.
We might also miss one or two submissions and then those people would feel treated unfairly. It is also possible that some of us are on vacation, have a tough semeseter at Uni/School/Work etc and are unable to check on the forum regularily for that period of time, resulting in submissions piling up. And then no-one feels responsible or has the motivation to go dig up those older posts and repost links to them.

And I haven't even started going on about thread updates. Because of course additions to existing threads would have to be translated into the index aswell.

In one word: It would be much more of a hassle for the "staff" to look after such a thread than it is for all of us to scroll through a few replys and comments.

[EDIT]: In german I guess you would say such a thread can be "eine lästige Braut". See what I mean?

I hope that makes at least a little sense

cianty wrote:

Possibly.

Now now, let's not get all fatalist, Cianty

Hmmm. I see your point Tom, It does start to sound like an awful lot of work.