D&D 4th Edition - Tabletop game?

Me, I'm loving the new edition, myself. And, for an RPG, I'm pleasantly amazed at how much the combat system plays like a tabletop war game. Now, more then ever, D&D requires you to play with miniatures on a board - where all actions are dictated by squares and such.

It's even an enjoyable game for one off games - write up a few characters, or just grab a handful of the monsters from the Monster Manual and have at it!

So, anyone else playing? If so, thoughts?

I would love to play. I heard just a bit about it, but I'm living in the proverbial no-man's land (okay... maybe not so proverbial, but get the idea). Apparently, people don't understand the meaning of a "good game" is.

I"ll teach them yet.

ANOTHER NOSTALGIA TRIP!

Way back in the 70s, D&D came out as more or less a skirmish version of TSR's "historical" table top game Chainmail. It WAS meant to use minis; of course, there weren't any Fantasy minis. The popularity of D&D rather launched the whole Fantasy mini thing.

I dropped out of RPGs with WotC's take over for a few reasons, the main one being difficulty following the story with the loss of hearing. That aside, I LIKED the AD&D combat rules & thought they'd make a GREAT skirmish game [I was alone in this opinion ]; I thought the combat system with D&D was God-awful & the game was set up with idiots in mind. PLUS WotC's business ethics is [unbelievably ] EVEN WORSE THAN GW's , which at best is reprehensible.

One of the guys I paint for is a FANATIC D&Der AND probably the finest DM I've met; his opiinion of the new edition is UNPRINTABLE. I happy to hear you've found something good in the system.

I've looked through the 4th edition some, and was generally unimpressed. That isn't to say it's a bad game; Heck, I've played a ton of different RPG systems. I find that the enjoyment is more from the company kept than the game system played.

That said, my long time group as a whole doesn't find 4th appealing. A lot of what we liked about 3/3.5 was removed. Much of the system seems way too "cookie cutter" to me... all characters becoming far more similar than different. (Believe me, we can make characters different... )

As to it requiring minis... Our games generally do anyway. We have some dry erase boards with grids marked out, draw walls or terrain (if we don't have something), and use old Warhammer Range Finders to measure run distances and spell ranges...

We tried it for a few weeks but quickly became very bored of it. The characters felt too similar to each other and it just seems set up arond combat as the be-all and end-all of the experience. It's very much like a boardgame crossed with some of the worst elements of MMORPGS and didn't go down well with us at all. I think we canned it after 4 weeks and set up a Blood Bowl league instead.

Sorry I play D&D and have since the late 70's and hate 4.0

Tried it last night, seems ok, although i've never really played D&D, but gave it a go since they needed people... and accepting cost me mordheim last night agh!!

but the game seemed ok, pretty linear in terms of mini fighting where its just move, pick a fighting attack and roll. Though supposedly its much simplier now as less skills and such.

its only ok

Wish I hadn't said yes cos now i'm in it and missing mordheim

Dang - am I the only one who likes it?

Oh well, to each his own.

My biggest complaint is that I sold off all my 3.5 stuff (300 dollars of it for 30 bucks credit). But now, while I love 4th ed, I realize the two are complete different games. Wouldn't mind having both options on my shelf - but oh well.

Back in my day we didnt use miniatures. We had a thing called our imagination, and the GM would describe the room in all its awesomeness.

The enjoyment of the game really stems from the imagination and dedication of the GM. My favourite GM was absolutly the bomb at what he did and I think we played for 30hrs straight with only 2 meals we where that into it

Ethlorien wrote:

Dang - am I the only one who likes it?

Oh well, to each his own.

My biggest complaint is that I sold off all my 3.5 stuff (300 dollars of it for 30 bucks credit). But now, while I love 4th ed, I realize the two are complete different games. Wouldn't mind having both options on my shelf - but oh well.

And that's really it... 4.0 isn't a revision of 3.5, it's a completely different game. At our game shop, we have a person who loves it, as it allows him to create adventures more quickly (and advantage as he goes to school). The group uses the on-line stuff, and enjoys the heck out of it.

But, as a completely different game, it lost appeal to some of the older players, who were looking for a revision, not a re-visioning (if that makes sense). And a lot of people I know weren't looking for a ocmpletely new game. My group wasn't, and we didn't switch.

If you like it, go for it! Heck, if a group I wanted to play with came up and said "4th Edition?" I'd likely say "Sure, I'll try that..."

After all, I was iffy on Mordheim... and am now plotting new warbands, terrain building, and way too much stuff given my limited time...