Golden Tom Competition 2008

Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Sun 28 Sep 2008 - 21:51

Admin Tom wrote:

Skavenblight wrote:: I only want to be certain that I can't do it

No, sorry Skavenblight, I'm afraid the whole cart is too big for this comp's cathegory. Przepraszam!

Kein Problem! Smile

I only wanted to be certain, it's even easier to choose now Smile

Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Mon 29 Sep 2008 - 17:25

Hey, I just finished my miniature (yay!) and was taking some experimental shots. As the light is not that fantastic, with the weather being rainy and not having a daylight lamp or anything, the white background is pretty dark. Thus, I wanted to ask if it is allowed to do a colour correction (Tonwertkorrektur).
Thanks, Sascha

Thanks for your entry! (and for finding a way to take bright pics and thus avoiding complicated discussions about allowing/disallowing pic treatment, Eli).
--Admin Tom

Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Tue 30 Sep 2008 - 20:15

AH!! LAST DAY!!! So much more painting

*damns the need for money*

grr...

Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Tue 30 Sep 2008 - 20:22

Ashton wrote:: AH!! LAST DAY!!! So much more painting

To everyone:

Some others have also expressed their problems with complying with the deadline so I will still be accepting entries up to october 3rd. So don't panic guys! Very Happy

Good luck!
Admin Tom

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Tue 30 Sep 2008 - 20:56

Admin Tom wrote:: [*]You may submit any number of models, as separate entries.

My stupid question...
By more than one model... should I send all of them by separate e-mails or in 1 e-mail, and they still count as "separate" ? (I said the question is stupid Embarassed

)?

Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Tue 30 Sep 2008 - 22:14

Admin Tom wrote:: I will still be accepting entries up to october 3rd.

Oh the wise, forgiving and all-seeing admin. We thank you for your forgiveness. Sir, yes sir!

*bows*

Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Tue 30 Sep 2008 - 22:39

Skavenblight wrote:: My stupid question...

There are no stupid questions.

Skavenblight wrote:: should I send all of them by separate e-mails or in 1 e-mail?

Whatever suits you best. I think I will be able to understand what you want to submit, don't worry. But please do take separate pics of every miniature under different angles. A "group" picture won't do.

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Tue 30 Sep 2008 - 22:46

Admin Tom wrote:: But please do take separate pics of every miniatures under different angles. A "group" picture won't do.

Ok, that's clear.

Thanks! Smile

No problem. Glad I could help.
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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Thu 2 Oct 2008 - 10:26

*thundering voice*

THE FINAL DAY APPROACHES!

A big THANK YOU to all you guys who have submitted your fantastic
works so far!

As you know, the competition will close tomorrow, october 3rd 2008 and I will accept entries until 00:00 (i.e. midnight) on that day.

After that, the judges will recieve your works as a bundle and the hour of truth will sound Very Happy

We will try to get the results out quickly, but we don't want to rush it. It is the first time we are having a competition on this forum, so I expect some heavy debating going on amongst the judges, behind the scenes (franky, I am really looking forward to all the arguing back and forth! It'll be fun).
I am hoping we will be able to announce the winners after october 10th.

For those of you still feverishly working on your entries, I wish you the best of luck and am eagerly awaiting your entries
*cracks whip*
"Work faster!"

Cheers,
Admin Tom

For those interested in "how it works"

On october 4th I will send an email to all the judges, with all the entries that were submitted. Each entry will be anonymous and recieve a number for identification. Of course, this is not a perfect system since I know who submitted what and even the judges might recognise some miniatures that have already been seen on this forum, but as a whole, I think it will be more fair. There is also one judge which is not a forum member and thus has never seen any of the miniatures before Smile

So at least then there is as much objectivity as one can achieve.

Each judge will award 4 things, each one individually.

1st place (Golden Tom)
2nd place (Silver Tom)
3rd place (Bronze Tom)
+ a certain number of Honorable Mentions for miniatuers that might just not have made it to an award but have still impressed the judges.

A miniature that recieves a judge's "voice" for 1st place will gain 3pts, a miniature that recieves a judge's "voice" for 2nd place will gain 2pts and a miniature that recieves a judge's "voice" for 3rd place will gain 1pt. Honorable mentions will not produce any points for the entry, but will be kept track of. So the more Honorable Mentions you get, the closer you came to an award and the more judges you impressed... still good, right? Smile

The winners will then be contacted by me via email, and asked to provide me with a mailing adress should they want the super cool certificate sent to them (free of cost, I'll pay for that).

And finally ALL works will be posted in a Golden Tom #1 thread a.k.a the HALL OF FAME.

Good Luck Ladies and Gentlemen! Sir, yes sir!

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Thu 2 Oct 2008 - 11:07

Thanks for telling us how this works, Tom!

I just sent my entry. There's no way anyone involved with this forum cannot smell "cianty" from that model. LOL. Anyways.. I was wondering, with this point system couldn't you not only determine places 1 to 3 but also 4 to say, 8? Maybe that would be good for the losers (like me, he he) that missed the top spots only closely (maybe not me). If there really are like 20 entries then that should be good (whereas with 10 competitors it would be ... not so cool). Jus' 'n idea, y'know...

Alright, good luck again to everyone! I am looking forward to a thread with lots of awesomely painted miniatures. bounce

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Thu 2 Oct 2008 - 13:44

cianty wrote:: couldn't you not only determine places 1 to 3 but also 4 to say, 8?

I'll tell you why I think this is not such a good idea in my opinion.

I have seen the entries, and judging from my first impression, they all range from good to excellent. In fact, I think that it will be hard enough to decide on places 1, 2 and 3, which will only be divided by a little tiny something, just so we get a ranking, because they are all so good.

I feel it would be a little unfair to rank everything after position 3. It would be like saying "You're a 5 so you are better than a 6", which in reality is not true. How can we say that? You can do that in sports, in the sprint discipline for example, where quarter of seconds differences allow exact rankings. But in an artistic contest, everything is more subjective. Maybe for 20% of the judges you deserved Silver although you got bronze.

That's just a subjective, human factor (did you or did you not convince the majority of the judges) that is impossible to remove.

That's why I would feel like splitting hair if I started ranking below 3rd place. 1,2 and 3rd are already hard enough to decide upon! Smile

cianty wrote:: Maybe that would be good for the losers (like me, he he)

And stop that defeatism. Duce, the newspaper please!

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Thu 2 Oct 2008 - 14:14

Admin Tom wrote:: That's why I would feel like splitting hair if I started ranking below 3rd place. 1,2 and 3rd are already hard enough to decide upon!

Exactly. If you can decide between 2 and 3, then you will likely also be able to decide between 3 and 4, especially since I guess more than three entries will get points, thus automatically creating an order of, I don't know, maybe six or seven entries.

Okay, I really feel like getting on your nerves if I press on with this and since I don't want to piss off one of the judges this soon affraid

, I'll stop it now Smile

. It's nothing important to me, you know, I was just wondering. I do see your point that it's hard to pick three out of so many.

Admin Tom wrote:: And stop that defeatism. Duce, the newspaper please!

Yieks!

I was just trying to be humble. I know my conversion is sick. Razz

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Thu 2 Oct 2008 - 14:52

cianty wrote:: [...] thus automatically creating an order of [...] six or seven entries.

You are right, it might be possible to create an order from the points. True. But that is besides the point in my opinion, because I think this order, although statistically correct, would hold no information value. That's why I said it would be a little "unfair". Sure, maybe you get 8 points and another entry gets 7. But what does that really MEAN for an outside viewer? I would say a 8pt and a 7pt miniature are equal in quality to me, you see?
In another comp, maybe you would have gotten 6 and the other entry 9 points.

That's why I introduced those Honorable Mentions, because that way, even if you didn't "win anything", you can still see traces of the judge's appreciation. It is a way for the jury to say "thank you" to the contestant for his effort and participation, even if he didn't make a place.

[EDIT]: A little personal anecdote on that topic. I was taking part in a dancing competition. And my partner and me were getting through the rounds of Jive (my favourite dance) really well. For the first time, I was actually being recalled again and again and again. Then we reached the final (an unbelieavable thing for me), and we were 6 couples competing for 3 places. When they handed out the medals, it turned out that I was 6th place, and I was a litte disappointed because my whole team was saying "Wow, you guys did so great! You'll make silver or bronze for sure!". And then an unusual thing happened. The judge walked up to me (a very nice guy) and said: "You know, I had marked you for Gold. But then you went out of rhythm just a few seconds, just when I looked, and so I had to bump you to 6th place. Sorry mate.".

And that made me feel great! That was the honorable mention. I though, if not for this tiny mistake, it would be me wearing that gold medal up there So i went fron disappointed to actually feeling like I broke a personal record. Even if it was only for myself.

There. That's how important Honorable mentions can be!

cianty wrote:: Okay, I really feel like getting on your nerves if I press on with this

Ow, don't worry, it takes more than that to get on my nerves. Besides, you never piss me off my dear Cianty! Smile

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Thu 2 Oct 2008 - 14:57

I think I misunderstood/misinterpreted that honorable mentions system. You once stated that there will be places 1 to 3 and honorable mentions. Then you said that all submitted entries would be posted in that Hall of Fame. I thus assumed that the Honorable mentions categorey was a an euphemism for "the rest". From what I get now, there will be Gold, Silver, Bronze, Honorable Mentions and the rest. Am I right? scratch

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Thu 2 Oct 2008 - 15:02

cianty wrote:: From what I get now, there will be Gold, Silver, Bronze, Honorable Mentions and the rest. Am I right?

As always my friend Smile

So if you wil, entries will have different "quantities" of honorable mentions. But not a "real ranking".

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Thu 2 Oct 2008 - 15:56

Ok, cool! Now I REALLY look forward to seeing all those beautiful (hpefully) submissions!

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Thu 2 Oct 2008 - 21:32

I got my two in. Haven't had time to paint a single thing since, but I'm happy I did those two. Can't wait to see everyones (their minis that is)!

Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Thu 2 Oct 2008 - 22:00

good luck everyone Smile

hope my guy will score well lol!

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Thu 2 Oct 2008 - 22:42

Crap, why do deadlines creep up one you like that?! haha

got to get mine in tomorrow... I'll make it... but not as easy as hoped!

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE! may the judges face a horribly hard task of sorting brilliant from amazing! - also good luck judges for I know it's a hard task.... but this time I'm on the painters side luckily! haha

Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Fri 3 Oct 2008 - 15:22

Admin Tom wrote:: As you know, the competition will close tomorrow, october 3rd 2008 and I will accept entries until 00:00 (i.e. midnight) on that day.

one question though.. in what time zone? I mean, if you take local times, i'll have one hour less then england, and around eigth less compared to america Smile

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Fri 3 Oct 2008 - 15:58

*hits Cianty with newspaper*

No, bad!

business as usual *Nods to Tom* carry on sir.

*walks off happy with a boyish skip in his walk*

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Fri 3 Oct 2008 - 22:44

matt wrote:: in what time zone?

An excellent point Matt! I meant GMT+1 (Continental Europe: Vienna, Amsterdam, Brussels, Paris, Berlin...).

So that would be GMT-6 for Montana, USA for example.

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Fri 3 Oct 2008 - 23:37

ah, okay, that means there are only 15 minutes left Smile

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Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Sat 4 Oct 2008 - 6:10

Admin Tom wrote:: So that would be GMT-6 for Montana, USA for example.

Doh... should have checked the forum more recently

Sad

Procrastination is a killer my friend... I'm going to go ahead and post my mini in my mini-thread. I'll make sure to be early to the next comp.

Good luck to all those who made the deadline

Subject: Re: Golden Tom Competition 2008 Sat 4 Oct 2008 - 11:15

I'm sure Tom won't be too hard on you. I certainly wouldn't mind you still submitting your work. The more entrants the better! This is the first run of the competition and this issue about time zones should probably have been mentioned earlier.

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