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crazygandalf Warrior
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| Subject: Zzap and Fire of Gork and HtH Thu 18 Nov 2010 - 19:57 | |
| In descirption odf Zzap and Fire of Gork is written that the spell can be cast at the closest enemy. And now the questions: 1. Does it mean, that it should be cast at a model that is in close combat, of course if he is the closest one? Or it should be cast at the closest enemy "free" model as the same as shooting rules describe? 2. Should I have the line of sight as in shooting? I mean such a situation as below: - Code:
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A1 D - defender A - attackers Three A models standing next to each other are not in HtH with D. A1 sees the D model, but don't have line of sight, and this is the closetst model. Can A1 can cast a spell on D? | |
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Lord 0 Venerable Ancient
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| Subject: Re: Zzap and Fire of Gork and HtH Fri 19 Nov 2010 - 2:54 | |
| In my circle we have always played that when casting spells that that say "the closest enemy" as the target mean exactly that - you target the closest enemy - even if they are in close combat. | |
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WarbossKurgan Distinguished Poster
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| Subject: Re: Zzap and Fire of Gork and HtH Fri 19 Nov 2010 - 10:04 | |
| We always play that close any combat blocks line of site. | |
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Von Kurst Distinguished Poster
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| Subject: Re: Zzap and Fire of Gork and HtH Fri 19 Nov 2010 - 17:18 | |
| We've tried various approaches. Rules as written is certainly the best although it doesn't end all argument. (Nothing does really.) One of the elusive Q&As (TC#12, p. 43) states that - Quote :
- Spells cannot be targeted at models which are out of line of sight.
An exception is made for area effect spells like Soul Fire. | |
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crazygandalf Warrior
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| Subject: Re: Zzap and Fire of Gork and HtH Sun 21 Nov 2010 - 15:22 | |
| Thanks for the answers. VonKurst's Q&A is the answer form my second question. Don't know how I missed that one. And the first one, as I understand, most of you play that a model can cast a spell (e.g zzap) into close combat. Am I right? | |
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Von Kurst Distinguished Poster
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| Subject: Re: Zzap and Fire of Gork and HtH Sun 21 Nov 2010 - 15:31 | |
| By rules as written you can cast the spell at a close combat opponent, yes. As far as the FAQ goes, we often forget that particular stricture and have had endless discussions and proposed house rules before re-discovering it. | |
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mweaver Etheral
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| Subject: Re: Zzap and Fire of Gork and HtH Sun 21 Nov 2010 - 15:36 | |
| Yes, we allow you to hit someone in close combat, because the rules/spell description doesn't say you cannot. | |
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crazygandalf Warrior
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| Subject: Re: Zzap and Fire of Gork and HtH Sun 21 Nov 2010 - 16:58 | |
| I see. This causes me to ask another question. If I cast a spell into close combat, does it mean that spell hits the enemy? Or is it randomly selected who the spell hits, as in shooting described in Chaos on the Streets for multiplayer. | |
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Gobbo Freak Elder
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| Subject: Re: Zzap and Fire of Gork and HtH Sun 21 Nov 2010 - 22:39 | |
| I believe to think magic is more accurate then a normal Ballistic weapon, therefor I would not apply the "Random selection", rulewise I wouldn't know what it says... | |
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Lord 0 Venerable Ancient
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| Subject: Re: Zzap and Fire of Gork and HtH Sun 21 Nov 2010 - 23:13 | |
| Yeah, we play that it just magically hits whoever you have targeted also. | |
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crazygandalf Warrior
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| Subject: Re: Zzap and Fire of Gork and HtH Mon 22 Nov 2010 - 19:29 | |
| Thanks for your help. Now I have to talk with my companions. | |
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Gobbo Freak Elder
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| Subject: Re: Zzap and Fire of Gork and HtH Mon 22 Nov 2010 - 21:29 | |
| good luck | |
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