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PostSubject: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Wed 21 Apr 2010 - 10:51

Can the Crossbow pistol be combined with the quickshot skill to fire twice when your model is charged?

P.S. Also, is it pretty much the general consensus that you can, in fact, purchase a brace of crossbow pistols?
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Wed 21 Apr 2010 - 11:09

Quick fire doesn't work with crossbow pistols. Pistolier does, but I've never had the brass ones to try and claim two shots when charged myself.

Regarding the purchasing question, while a brace of crossbow pistols is not on the Witch Hunters equipment list, for instance, there's nothing stopping you buying two individual pistols which then count as a brace.
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Wed 21 Apr 2010 - 11:42

Quote from the online rulebook on the GW site:
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Quick Shot. The warrior may shoot twice per turn with a bow or crossbow (but not a crossbow pistol).

Pistolier.
The warrior is an expert at using all kinds of pistols. If he is equipped with a brace of pistols of any type (including crossbow pistols), he may fire twice in the Shooting phase (though note that normal reloading rules apply). If he has a single pistol then he may fire it in the same turn it was reloaded.

And from the Q&A / Errata:
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Q: What is a ‘brace’ of pistols?
A: A brace of pistols is two pistols of the same type, eg, two duelling pistols, two crossbow pistols, etc.

Q: If I buy two of the same type of pistol at different times, are they counted as a brace?
A: Yes, as long as they’re exactly the same type.

Apparently you can buy a brace of crossbow pistols.
A little unfortunate is the definition ".. he may fire twice during the Shooting phase.." since crossbow pistols aren't fired in the shooting phase when fired at a charger.

So if you play by the rules as they are written pistolier should allow you to fire a crossbow pistol brace twice in the shooting phase but only once in hand-to-hand combat.

Although this might be a gray area since it is nowhere mentioned how may weapons you can fire in another phase than the shooting phase. But it should go without saying that it is also only one imo.
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Wed 21 Apr 2010 - 11:50

I agree with REminenz - as the pistols are not being used in the shooting phase, they can only be fired once.

I'm not normally one to go by the RAW, but it also makes sense that as you're being charged you'd be readying other weapons and preparing for hand-to-hand in case whatever was charging made it to you.
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Wed 21 Apr 2010 - 14:28

they are so bugged
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Wed 21 Apr 2010 - 14:39

get rid of the awkard rule, and make them shoot in CC like pistols
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Thu 22 Apr 2010 - 8:07

I choose to believe they are not bugged, but Working As Intended Very Happy. In my circle we consider crossbow pistols to be an interesting and fun variant rather than awkward, but I suspect that is just a matter of taste.
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sat 24 Apr 2010 - 8:46

Yeah I think it provides an interesting alternative to the pistol CC rules.
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sat 24 Apr 2010 - 9:44

I don't believe I have ever seen anyone use them. I guess that's one of the consequence of playing with the same friends year after year after year - you develop certain habits and blind spots.
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sat 24 Apr 2010 - 11:14

Ah, I didn't realize they were so closely tied to the pistol rules. Shooting once in the CC phase makes sense, I suppose. I was just imagining what you could do with two shots followed by lightning reflexes with a brace of pistols and improved black powder Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sun 25 Apr 2010 - 6:22

well under vanilla rules you can. as i said, bugged
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sun 25 Apr 2010 - 6:34

As I said, Working As Intended .
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sun 25 Apr 2010 - 6:49

No, you can't. Quickshot can not be combined with a rapid fire weapon.

Otherwise you could combine with a sling and etc of which you can not.
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sun 25 Apr 2010 - 6:58

We house-ruled Quick Shot to be +1 shot (does not cancel Prepare Shot). Works well for us.
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sun 25 Apr 2010 - 7:00

Lord 0 wrote:
We house-ruled Quick Shot to be +1 shot (does not cancel Prepare Shot). Works well for us.

I think this is fair. You really aren't breaking any physics here.
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sun 25 Apr 2010 - 7:08

Da Bank wrote:
No, you can't. Quickshot can not be combined with a rapid fire weapon.

Otherwise you could combine with a sling and etc of which you can not.

but crossbow pistol isnt rapid fire?
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sun 25 Apr 2010 - 7:33

This discussion is no longer about the rules as written so what you can and can't do loses meaning.

Living Rule Book rules
The pertinent rules have already been quoted. Quick shot does not work with a Crossbow pistol because the written rules of the Rules Review say it doesn't.

Pistoleer does work but pistoleer does not apply to the Crossbow Pistol's special shoot as charged rule.

Given that there is a rule for pistols and crossbow pistols being able to be bought in a brace I fail to see why a House Rule Quickshot rule is needed except as a way of getting around needing a brace of Crossbow pistols. Seems like a bad idea.
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sun 25 Apr 2010 - 7:44

Oh, the house-rule didn't affect which weapons it applied to. I was referring to Da Bank's comment that Quick Shot can't be combined with RF weapons. I meant we house-ruled that Quick Shot gave +1 to things like slings and repeater crossbows.
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sun 25 Apr 2010 - 9:47

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Pistoleer does work but pistoleer does not apply to the Crossbow
Pistol's special shoot as charged rule.

where does it say that?
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sun 25 Apr 2010 - 9:51

Pistoleer only says it works in the shooting phase. Doesn't say it works in the close combat phase so it is not so much that the skill doesn't work with the special rule per se, but more that it can't be used at all outside of the shooting phase.
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sun 25 Apr 2010 - 10:49

so you can still fire two shots and then fire one when charged and two pistols in CC Wink

man i glad we left vanilla behind. interpreting the rules is a game in itself
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PostSubject: Re: Crossbow pistol + Quick Shot   Sun 25 Apr 2010 - 17:48

I am also glad the vanilla is left behind.
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