art of silent death and critical hits

how does the skaven skill "art of silent death" work in the following case concerning critical hits?



black skaven with S4 and AoSD fights a T5 model. As he needs a 5 to wound it, does this mean that he would not be able to land critical hits on a wound roll of 5?

so does he crit on a 5 AND 6 in this case or only on a 6?

No one wants to touch this?

I'll try. We play that a warrior with the skill crits on a 5+ even if he would need a 5 to wound. The situation comes up fairly often when the rats join campaigns.

No, he cant... If you need a 5+ to wound, you cant only crit on a 6, i think it was in a errat or FAQ.

-Skavenslayer

Really which one?

Im not sure, but its the same as, if you need a 6+ to wound, you cant crit, so if needing a 5+ to you cant crit on a 5.

I will se if i can find it, if you got the annual, try to look in the back

-Skavenslayer

Found it.

Quote :

Q. My friend and I had a discussion about the
skill “art of silent death”. It concerned the
ability to make a critical on 5+ instead of a 6.
On high T creatures he meant that it should
be raised to a 6, as you cannot make a critical
hit on a creature that you need a 6 to wound
in normal cases. Hence you shouldn’t be able
to make a critical hit on a 5 if you needed a 5
to wound it. I meant the rule was quite clear
and it only mattered vs. high T creatures,
which probably would be a pain in the ass
anyway. And this one skill might actually
prove much more dangerous to this
particularly type of creatures. What do you
think?
A. As you can’t make a critical hit on 6 if you
require 6 to wound, play it the way that if
model with Art of Silent Death skill requires
5+ to wound, then critical hit can be scored
only when dice rolls 6. If you required 6+ to
hit and score 5 you cause neither hit nor
critical hit.
Dwarfs

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/sg/forum/index.php?topic=1039.0

-Skavenslayer

thanks skavenslayer! I'm glad they ruled it out (although it seems a bit that the player asks a suggestive question and the "answerer" goes for it... )

something is unclear to me though:

Quote :

If you required 6+ to hit and score 5 you cause neither hit nor critical hit.
Dwarfs

Didn't he mean "to wound" instead of "to hit"?

Heh.. yeah, i think, must admit i diddent (re)read anything, but i guess that is what he meant.

-Skavenslayer

Dahag wrote:

thanks skavenslayer!

Didn't he mean "to wound" instead of "to hit"?

Definitely. It is all the terminology mess with these unfortunate critical "hits", while in fact they are critical wounds

Thanks for finding that FAQ Skavenslayer!