Skeleton Horse Mounts

Subject: Skeleton Horse Mounts Fri 23 Jan 2009 - 8:50

Hi,

Does anyone know of any rules for skeleton horse mounts? My nephew has some skeletons on skeleton horses and wants to play with them.

If there are no rules then would someone have their stats? I don't know whether the stats & rules for Warhammer translate directly into Mordheim but if they do then those might be a start if there is nothing else available.

Thanks Very Happy

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Fri 23 Jan 2009 - 9:11

The skeletal steed in both the warhammer tomb kings army list and the mordheim tomb guardians list has the following profile:

M8 WS2 BS- S3 T3 W1 I2 Ld5
It'd have the special rules for undead as well (immune to psychology, fear, and can't run being the important ones for a steed).

Incidentally, the above profile is EXACTLY the same as the one listed for the Nightmare mount in the mordheim rules. I would have thought the nightmare would have more impressive stats or rules. Anyways, the nightmare is 95 gold, so I imagine the skeleton steed would be as well.

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Fri 23 Jan 2009 - 9:18

Download Empire in Flames from the Mordheim resources section on the GW site. It has the full rules for using mounts, including Nightmares which are basically skeletal steeds.

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Fri 23 Jan 2009 - 9:20

In the Mordheim Annual there is an article called "Blazing Saddles" that introduces extended mounted rules compared to that one pager in the Optional Rules section of the Mordheim rulebook. That article includes Undead horse (Nightmares) as well as Chaos Steeds, Giant Spiders and many more race-specific steeds. The same article (with a few less mounts) was reprinted in the Empire in Flames book.

EDIT: Dammit, Catferret!

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Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Fri 23 Jan 2009 - 11:29

Identity wrote:: . I would have thought the nightmare would have more impressive stats or rules.

I'd have thought the opposite! As nightmares are zombie-horses and skellingtons are more powerful than zombies.

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Fri 23 Jan 2009 - 12:11

I guess my perception of the fantasy creature dubbed "nightmare" is a jet black horse which can fly and has a mane, a tail, hooves, and eyes of fire. (A perception most likely formed through fantasy vidogames and M:TG).
Skeleton Horse Mounts MM35_PG195

This creature is undoubtedly more impressive than a brittle collection of horse bones Razz

, but I realize that each fantasy setting has a very different take on mythical creatures. (i.e. Tolkien's elves vs. Harry Potter elves...)

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Fri 23 Jan 2009 - 13:09

Potter's elves are very bizzare! But, yes, the WHFB nightmares are zombie-horses (they're are also good zombie-horses in the Abhorsen series, actually, those books just have good necromancy in all areas).

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Fri 23 Jan 2009 - 13:29

Aha! I am somewhat redeemed in my Warhammer knowledge. A quick look at the gamesworkshop site (aka store of horror) shows several "nightmares" ranging from black horses to Mannfred von Carstein's own mount, a zombie/skeleton hybrid. Their stats are +1 WS, S, & T above the skeletal steed. There's also a "Hellsteed" which is identical statwise to a nightmare, but it flies.

Unfortunately none of these are modeled with flames emanating from them Sad

Err, I seem to be derailing this thread (which already has several satisfactory answers) into the "fluff" category...

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Fri 23 Jan 2009 - 16:22

Well, I don't know what the MOUNT is, but in the old WFB, Skeletal Knights could ride through terrain. If the mount is a Vampire or Skeleton, what if the rider can move through terrain and friendly models on a successful Leadership test? (If he fails the leadership test, he stops, in base contact with the object.) He cannot end his turn inside terrain, or he's instantly taken OOA.

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Sat 24 Jan 2009 - 0:37

Thank you all. We already have a Vampire on a Nightmare so we'll just use similar stats and rules for the skeletal steeds.

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Sun 22 Feb 2009 - 16:12

@StyrofoamKing & Identity:
Oh oh! I know this one!

Spoiler:

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Sun 22 Feb 2009 - 17:01

Well, the zombie-dragon is better than all of them! Wink

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Mon 23 Feb 2009 - 4:25

So I've heard (its the one on the right):

Spoiler:

Slight difference in playing style compared to the horsie (on his head)

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Mon 23 Feb 2009 - 11:28

What's the opening for monsters in the new rule-book? CAn you still have a Blood Dragon count on winged-nightmare dish out five WS10 S5 and 3 WS 4 S5 attacks, while being able to fly and causing terror? (Slam one of those into the back of unit and it really goes fast!)

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Tue 24 Feb 2009 - 20:42

Another option, of course, is to make the Skeletal Steeds the Undead version of a 'Horse', while the Nightmare is the "Warhorse". The steed would be cheaper, but doesn't get an attack.

Subject: Re: Skeleton Horse Mounts Thu 26 Feb 2009 - 2:14

StyrofoamKing wrote:: Another option, of course, is to make the Skeletal Steeds the Undead version of a 'Horse', while the Nightmare is the "Warhorse". The steed would be cheaper, but doesn't get an attack.

That's an interesting idea. I'll have to have a look at the rules again when I get home.

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