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PostSubject: A fun forum challange   Thu 30 Oct 2008 - 10:13

Was just ponderig if there would be demand for a forum challange, which could be turned into a guide.

For this i was thinking £10 or the euro / dollar equivilient of materials not including paint to build 10 pieces of scenery with (Shipping costs not applied for obvious reasons, or seperated)

£1 a piece so as to speak.

Would be a fun challange for people and those new people could read the guides of what people bought and how to cheaply make terrain for their games, and painting can be assumed to come later when they get the available money.

Silly or good idea?

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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Thu 30 Oct 2008 - 10:29

I think it's a great idea! I'll see if I can think of something...
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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Fri 31 Oct 2008 - 8:33

I like this as well though my question comes with the finish/detailing - do the price limits apply to the entire project or just to the construction (eg if I want to add skulls/mord building bits/corpses from my bits box do I have to assign a dollar value?)

Id have to take it in the spirit of the comp that a person with an extensive bits box would not be allowed to use Plastic/gw/whatever building corners stairs and other main construction details - but im more interested in final embellishments.
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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Fri 31 Oct 2008 - 8:41

No, in my opinion its purely the materials to build the 10 buildings.

Extras are things people can add when they want, but beginners would not, they would get much more satisfaction and benefits from getting a board full of terrain.

The idea of this is to show that gamers can indeed get an entire filled mordheim table of scenery to play with.

Basically consisting of

walkways / Floors / Bases
Walls / roofs


that in my opinion is the basics needed for a table's worth of terrain

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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Fri 31 Oct 2008 - 10:24

Well, if you simply go for a cheap and easy table, I'd say use cardboard (cereal boxes, or the thick one from packets) for the buildings, coffee stirrers for ladders, doors, window frames, walkways etc. and spend the money on a tube of glue, sellotape and some black and grey (or brown) paint and a brush Smile

To get an example, I would suggest looking at this thread.
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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Fri 31 Oct 2008 - 11:19

I think this is a great idea. I would only recommend that paint not be included in the price... I spent $2 on a large bottle of black paint, and I've used it only 5 minis and quite a number of large terrain pieces, and I'm not out yet... and if I used 5 colors on my building, I wouldn't have any money for the actual terrain.

I think it should focus entirely on the basic construction materials and process.

Again, great idea.
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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Fri 31 Oct 2008 - 11:37

Eliazar wrote:
Well, if you simply go for a cheap and easy table, I'd say use cardboard (cereal boxes, or the thick one from packets) for the buildings, coffee stirrers for ladders, doors, window frames, walkways etc. and spend the money on a tube of glue, sellotape and some black and grey (or brown) paint and a brush Smile

To get an example, I would suggest looking at this thread.


Thats one option, but I'd try the formboard and balsa route, both are dirt cheap and i reckon I could easily do 10 good size bits of materials. (Glue is included in the materials)

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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Sat 1 Nov 2008 - 12:33

Well I've started the challenge, even if it is only me, doing it should be fun and provide me with the last pieces I need to achieve a full 4' by 8' table. Yes 4 foot by 8 foot... I got over excited and decided it gives me the option of 4 fully flat tiles, or a mixture from 4 fully flat and 4 canal tiles.

Not only that but I can now make 2 gaming tables of 4'x4' incase I ever stumble onto more players and a campaign of awesome sause and what ever else kids say on the net when over happy starts.

http://ducemordheim.blogspot.com/

I've created a blog for it incase anyone cares, going to do a guide for each piece showing the construction and then a group shot of the pieces on the board.

Anyone else going to take up the challenge? Razz

Also if anyone notices spelling mistakes please feel free to shoot me and tell me.

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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Sat 1 Nov 2008 - 13:04

Sounds like a great idea Duce.
Will follow you progress and keep my fingers crossed. GBP10 sounds like VERY little money to build all that scenery...

Anyway, GOOD LUCK! Smile

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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Sat 1 Nov 2008 - 13:22

Yea man,

I'm in. I don't know if I'll get 10 pieces out of it... maybe just two very detailed pieces(?)

Google tells me
UK£ 10 = 16.12300 US$

I've already purchased most of my supplies... i think, so I'll have to go figure out how much everything cost... as I said earlier, I'm not including the cost of paint (or brushes) Wink
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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Sat 1 Nov 2008 - 13:23

Admin Tom wrote:
Sounds like a great idea Duce.
Will follow you progress and keep my fingers crossed. GBP10 sounds like VERY little money to build all that scenery...

Anyway, GOOD LUCK! Smile


Already got the materials bought. £9.88 cheers but i had to cheap it a little on the adhesive.

Auw well meant i could have bought some sweets to nibble.

But no Ashton, this is purely to make the terrain bits. So glue to bond it, the balsa for my floor / detailing and the foamboard for the walls etc.

I'm going with your strat now that i understand it better of no basing if possible.

Once a beginner's got his terrain sorted he could base it and add detals such as rubble and furniture if he wishes. although witht he balsa pack i am confident i could do some book cases, books and picture frames.

small things like cardboard i don't consider cheating to add in because lets face it, every household no matter where has some sort of cardboard etc which could be used.

The cost limit purely is for the cost of materials for the ruins (I don't consider cardboard ruins suitable and durable enough to take much playing)

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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Sat 1 Nov 2008 - 13:26

Duce, That's the second time in a row that you posted just after I posted, and you commented about the person before me... grrr Cathayan Monk 2
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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Sat 1 Nov 2008 - 13:29

Ashton wrote:
Duce, That's the second time in a row that you posted just after I posted, and you commented about the person before me... grrr Cathayan Monk 2


hehe Razz

Well Ashton, the decisions yours on the detailing, but I think modest detailing is fine as long as its not over done, and to be honest its nice to have good rugged 'filler' buildings to use sometimes.

Experts like most of the people on this forum may want to add all the flare to things, but newer less experienced people or like myself are either happy with buildings which fufill a playing role, or just havent progressed to that level of detail skill yet Sad

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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Tue 4 Nov 2008 - 4:07

Update on the progress.

Only posting the group shots here to save space Razz





4 ground floors down 6 to go (and 10 second floors, maybe 1-2 3rd floors Mad long way to go )

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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Tue 4 Nov 2008 - 7:41

How about rating the terrain like a warband: i.e., the MORE you spend the higher it's rating with less expensive/lower rated terrain getting a points bonus for scoring a "winner"? Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Mon 10 Nov 2008 - 13:43

Im making a 4" by 4" board with textured ground and Ive spent around $15 (euroes really, but my brothers got and English keyboard with Portuguese Windows, so none of the keys do what they say). I did it wit $5 dollars of plaster poured into a (scrap wood) tray, carved with a sharpened stick and built up with balsa wood and (scrap) card. Plus $5 of miscellanious costs (glue, tape, sawdust, etc.). Ill send some pics as soon as our card readers working...
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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Mon 10 Nov 2008 - 17:07

Chad wrote:
Im making a 4" by 4" board [...]l'll send some pics as soon as our card reader is working...

Cool!

Chad wrote:
[...]but my brothers got and English keyboard with Portuguese Windows[...]

Ouch... well, time to change the keyboard. Or the operating system. Or the brothers geek
Little tip: If you just change the keyboard region (bottom right in the taskbar) you can get the EURO sign "€" by pressing AltGr+E

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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Wed 12 Nov 2008 - 7:40

Or just use my own machine from now-on. I'm making slow progress with the board as I'm trying to enlarge my HS collection and keep up with Uni' at the same time... pale
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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Wed 12 Nov 2008 - 7:49

seems its very possible to make a board and terrain for under £60. Wink

Will be putting up the progress on the building shopefully this weekend so theres a good bit more done.

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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Wed 12 Nov 2008 - 7:54

Duce wrote:

For this i was thinking £10 or the euro / dollar equivilient of materials not including paint to build 10 pieces of scenery with (Shipping costs not applied for obvious reasons, or seperated)

...

Silly or good idea?

Fine idea (that would be 12€ according to Google).

The stuff I've made (see my blog) has been well in your target range. Basically, I did not buy anything except a big slab of pink styrodur (can't remember the exact price, maybe 10-15 €), and a smaller slice would be less than 10€. The "bird sand" I bought could probably just as well have been substituted by either real sand or just left away. I spent more than 10 € on the paint, but it's not included in your challenge. Then, a few € for the static grass, oh well.

So far, I have 7 pieces in my gallery; the ruined fieldstone tower thingy is actually consisting of 4 parts (2 halves of the tower + 2 standalone walls) so that gives 10. Cool

While a low limit for the initial cost is fine and well, the time spent should not be underestimated. Sure, we all do it as a hobby and have fun while doing it, but depending on whether one has a regular income (and can put a money value to each personal hour) or not, spending just a tiny bit more on more fitting raw material (e.g., 5mm styrodur instead of 40mm) may bring huge payoffs.
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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Wed 12 Nov 2008 - 8:05

well i've taken 40 minutes total on and off if even and 7 buildings are almost complete, that was including me sitting slacking and taking time.

I think it takes me roughly 5-8 minutes a building on and off to finish it. Granted they are basic with some nice touches, but for a first set fo terrain its decent enough.

What really surprises me is that I've been able to make 3-4 big pieces (roughly 4'' by 4'') given alll the buildings a second floor and still have loads of material left.

Although I have not done the flooring, but i should have enough wood for that and essential detailing.

Do your 10 pieces cover enough for a board?

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PostSubject: Re: A fun forum challange   Wed 12 Nov 2008 - 8:38

Duce wrote:

Do your 10 pieces cover enough for a board?

No, absolutely not, those 10 pieces are simply 10 independent things which can be put somewhere. 5 of them are buildings, the rest is just stuff (like stairs, single walls etc.). So I guess if we had a jury here I would fall flat with my proposal. Wink

I did put (much) more effort in them than just 5-8 minutes per piece, though. You are right, if it's really about a very quick&dirty job (not caring about paint, surface quality, visual "effects" (drybrushing etc.)), then time is not much of an issue.
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