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PostSubject: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Thu 23 Jan 2014 - 8:56

Ok, so there's one CP between me and Power of the Church achievement. I'm wondering are these 3 warrior priests worth hiring. I admit, low upkeep cost and potential of rolling Healing hand or (burning) Hearts of Steel (Hearts on Fire!!!) is quite tempting; especially when my Bounty Hunter (hired sword) is a worthless @$%^ who's only achievemnt is stealing 20gc from my income after each battle. Needles to say, I'm definitely going to fire him and hire someone more competent, so here comes the question: are 2 or 3 priests a good choice? Anyone has any experience with those guys?

Ah yes, and once again question to Cianty: can I hire ones from "Wiracle Workers" (equipping them at my cost)?
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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Thu 23 Jan 2014 - 21:23

As always, help us help you by clarifying what rules you're asking about. Better yet, provide a link.
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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Thu 23 Jan 2014 - 21:56

http://www.bordertownburning.de.vu/

Tom's is also the official forum for Bordertown hence Catachanfrog's questions. (He is also looking for an answer directly from one of the authors).

As for the Warrior Priest hired sword I would think you would have to decide what his rules are since the published version of the Priest is incomplete. In our campaign we house ruled how the priest worked before the campaign began. With three chances for a good prayer the priests seem like a steal.

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can I hire ones from "Wiracle Workers"?

Do you mean 'can I hire Sigmarite Warrior Priests' or do you mean ANY of the priest choices from Miracle Workers? And are you hiring them as Hired Swords?
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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Fri 24 Jan 2014 - 5:10

Von Kurst wrote:
Do you mean 'can I hire Sigmarite Warrior Priests' or do you mean ANY of the priest choices from Miracle Workers? And are you hiring them as Hired Swords?

No, of course Priests of Sigmar. I can hire 3  from TC for hire cost and upkeep of 10gc. As a hired swords of course, not heroes.
How are TC's priest rules incomplete?
http://boringmordheimforum.forumieren.com/t6666-the-warrior-priest-of-sigmar-hired-sword?highlight=warrior+priest
You mean this, right? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Fri 24 Jan 2014 - 5:50

Right  Very Happy

Edit: I intended to add that link last night and then just went to bed instead.

As far as the Priest of Sigmar goes I was asking because we have a house rule that you can replace the Witch Hunters' priest with the one from Miracle Workers. I reminded a Witch Hunter player of that recently and was surprised when he fielded a Priest of Ranald instead of a Priest of Sigmar. The Witch Hunters are a bit different this time round.  Suspect 

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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Sat 25 Jan 2014 - 12:18

Von Kurst wrote:
I reminded a Witch Hunter player of that recently and was surprised when he fielded a Priest of Ranald instead of a Priest of Sigmar.  The Witch Hunters are a bit different this time round.  Suspect 


Sounds like heresy Suspect Suspect 

Priest from TC is
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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Sat 25 Jan 2014 - 19:31

Von Kurst wrote:
I reminded a Witch Hunter player of that recently and was surprised when he fielded a Priest of Ranald instead of a Priest of Sigmar.  The Witch Hunters are a bit different this time round.  Suspect 
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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Sat 25 Jan 2014 - 19:42

The law of unintended consequences.  Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Thu 30 Jan 2014 - 11:53

I think Cianty was waiting for me to weigh in here with some spiritual advice.

You'd have to be crazy not to hire in a trio of warrior-priests at 10 crowns a pop! Whether you prefer to customize your selection of miracle workers or not they are going to give you excellent bang for your buck, as the achievement was intended to.

This particular plot was conceived with Witch Hunters in mind, meaning that Myrmidian & Verenan/Solkan war-priests are off the table. If your campaign has a strong leaning towards undead warbands then Priests of Morr will come in very useful. If you're fighting across a watery tabletop then the priesthood of Manann is your best bet.

I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to mix faiths. As with anything your group should decide on the best way to live the adventure!

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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Thu 30 Jan 2014 - 16:53

Thanks for the answer werekin! Much appreciated! Sir, yes sir!  No mixing faiths for my warband, just priests of Sigmar . So, do I have your blessing for using Miracle workers WP's (of Sigmar)? Should I consider it as an official ruling?
Thanks again!!
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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Fri 31 Jan 2014 - 1:22

I'd say use the Miracle Workers article as the basis to equip your priests. It'a a comprehensive guide after all.

Your additional priests will join the warband as Hired Swords for the remainder of your campaign as the plot objectives describe. It's a nice achievement for a modelling project.

Hopefully you can vary the clergymen just enough to make them feel like they have their own identities!

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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Fri 31 Jan 2014 - 7:33

Thanks again!
I'm still wondering about my previos question from another thread: is witch hunter warband (AND in fact any warband with Celestial Protactorate - they also get benefits from killing Chaos) allowed to kill captured chaos/undead heroes? It would go well with their background and especially with objective (The Damned shall burn!). Aftera all, I can't see witch hunters trying to make profit on ransoming "heretics" they are supposed to kill. I know that Cianty's initiatl answer was "no" but it still bothers me that having (not yet) heretics in their clutches, thr only thing WH can do is to sell them.  Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Fri 31 Jan 2014 - 11:34

catachanfrog wrote:
I know that Cianty's initiatl answer was "no" but it still bothers me that having (not yet) heretics in their clutches, thr only thing WH can do is to sell them.  Crying or Very sad

LOL! That's like asking pop after mum's answer wasn't satisfactory.  Razz 

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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Fri 31 Jan 2014 - 11:50

Not really Razz 
Oh, c'mon! Very Happy 
Doesn' it make sense? Twisted Evil 
I'm a fluff player, I love the background and idea of not killing those filthy heretics (especially when they're at my "mercy") fills me with profound sorrow... Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Fri 31 Jan 2014 - 16:03

@cianty... lol

@catachanfrog... I think if you are asking for a second answer because the first was not satisfactory then you should just make it a house rule. It is your gaming and if your group agrees then go ahead. If there is hesitation in your group then getting werekin to say 'yes' after cianty said 'no' won't help and you should either roll off to decide or else bow to the author rather than the consultant. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Fri 31 Jan 2014 - 16:43

If you simply kill the prisoner, then does it make for a good story? As a fluff player I would hope your own answer here would be 'no'.

In all the best supernatural tales, the hunter captures the monster. The hunter wants to kill the captive but he can't because the monster knows a load of important stuff. He interrogates the shackled fiend, eventually resorting to torture. In the end the torturer collects some secret tit-bits, a half-truth perhaps, before the wiley devil inevitably slips out from his grasp during a sequence of unforseeable events.

That is what happens in all the best stories. Apart from the ones where a hunter kills the monster, after which the fell beast returns from the grave, again. The biggest villains of Old Night just won't stay dead. Look at that cantankerous old f***er Mannfred von Carstein!

I will post some guidelines from my Marienburg campaign about it on the blog at some point. The Witch Hunters are still in the lead. It's as if they don't sleep.
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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Sat 1 Feb 2014 - 5:19

Just for clarification (at least for myself):

What catachanfrog is looking for is a house rule that allows other warbands besides Undead and Possessed to sacrifice captured victims.

The BTB rules don't change the core rules - they (usually) just add to them. The Slain Heretic rule, as described in the other thread, wouldn't conflict with the sacrifice rule in its original wording because the Good Guys don't sacrifice victims.

So neither Stu nor myself would be the right persons to ask about such a home rule. As Rational said: This is something to be decided within your gaming group. In the end, who cares? House rules always win over official rules or some internet dude's rules.

Now what about an additional rule that explicitly allows certain warbands to sacrifice captives? Personally, I think it does fit very well with the fluff of many warbands. After all, all warbands basically comprise of killers. I can definately see With Hunters burn their captives at the stakes - this could even be used in game: Sacrifice a captive to gain +1 XP. In addition, you may place a 40mm round "stakes" marker within 8" of the starting position in your next game. Within 8" of the stake, all members from the warband of the captive that was burned there suffer from fear against the Witch Hunter warband. Or should it be hatred...?
Every "evil" warband would want a special ruling like this and a bunch of good warbands would then need appropriate rules for exchanging victims, using them to lure the opponent, etc. This is definately a great topic for an article of its own. But it's not something to squeeze into the Slain Heretic rule.

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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Sat 1 Feb 2014 - 5:50

That's explenation I gladly accept. Sir, yes sir!  Thank's for replying! thumbsup 
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PostSubject: Re: BTB Power of the Church achievement   Mon 3 Feb 2014 - 1:33

There are existing rules for how to set on fire enemy warriors. These could be used as a point of reference, if you with to burn mutants and witches in a battle. Very fitting with the fluff!

As for torture, I will soon present a sample of how to extract information from foul captives in a blog post detailing some alternative objectives, especially conceived for devotees of the Sigmarite faith.

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