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PostSubject: Witch Hunters overpowered   Wed 13 Feb 2013 - 13:53

A Witch Hunters warband is leading our campaign. I think it will win if we don't do something now as everyone is finding it impossible to beat in two player battles.

Some of the players think the warband is overpowered. Should it be banned?

Should we ask the Witch Hunters captain to leave our campaign to restore balance?
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Wed 13 Feb 2013 - 14:01

Do you have any special rules? Maybe max-size 15 models or something? Dogs are good in the beginning, Flagellants can become good and so do the heros with crossbows and access to academic skills for all. But I never considered WH to be too good and I never heard anyone here claim that. Possibly the player is just very good? Or he was very lucky in the beginning and is now "too big to fail"? Maybe have a couple of 2 vs. 1 games, or pick certain scenarios or think up underdog bonuses. But banning the warband or even the PLAYER?!? Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Wed 13 Feb 2013 - 14:19

I think he is just being snide based on some of the other threads out there complaining that "This warband kicked my but so they are over powered"

If serious... then I suspect that MIM with ether some of the rules there or even the campaign objectivs that your witch hunters are using is more apt to be the problem and not the warband... or the guy using them is just so awesome and the rest of you guys suck (or poor/good luck)
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Wed 13 Feb 2013 - 14:32

Oh, sometimes I don't get irony ...
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 6:04

This is the first time I ever heard "Witch Hunters OP" Smile

Play just better than he does.
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 6:43

I had the same problem. We have discussed to houserule that witchhunter may only have up to 2 crossbows in the warband. They were way to strong!

Another idea was, that they may only have one flaggelant or warhound for every zealot in their host.
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 7:23

Crossbows, Flagellants and warhounds are not OP. Smile

Try to use more Scenic Elements.
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 9:42

Ok... I'm still trying to figure out are you guys serious. Iif it's kinda joke I don't get it (funny Rolling Eyes ).
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 10:09

Werekin,

You should be more specific...What makes them Overpowered...

Flagellants ? Yes, they are good... but not better than possessed or mutants.
Dogs ? Yes, they are good... but as the campaign advance they are not so good.
Equipment ? Well... I see nothing there.
Spellcaster ? Surely not.

With their warband cap at 12 they got a long term disadvantage.

Of course, if the player always send all his wardogs to the front then retire... it can become a problem... but if its the trouble... then the PLAYER is the problem, not the warband.

You should check what he got as advance rolls ? Maybe he was lucky ? Cheating ? There are a lot of possible explaination but witch hunter being overpowered ? No. Indeed, its an under-average warband (not hopeless but not from the best for sure).
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 10:13

Someone Said about the brets warband ..
"they loose from wh .. And if u loose from witch hunters .. There is a big problem!!"
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 10:24

Indeed.

The bretonnians is one of the worst warband (if not THE worst)...

I do play them and we had to gave them a few edges like Free ride skills, acces to Strenght skills for knights and add them a Custom hired sword (spellcaster Damsel of the lake). Their flaws are simple : Overpriced knight heroes, no spellcaster, limited skill access, Maxed at 12 warriors, bad special skills and abilities. Also, if you lose a knight, you have to kick out a squire and if its the questing knight, you cannot replace it. I see a single problem that they share with the WHunters... 12 warriors... but the WHunters henchmen are so much better... so...


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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 10:35

Please, let Werekin iluminate us about true meaning of his post. Is he making a jest, drawing us into pointless discussion or has he really got a problem with witch hunters warband that, by overpowered rules, makes a mockery of every player's effort to defeat them?
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 13:15

His post is in jest. That is totally Werekin's style.
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 14:29

I don't think the campaign objectives are at fault here. The motives of Witch Hunters is pretty straight forward;

Capture and torture suspected heretics before burning them alive, drowning all witches, incinerating all mutants & warlocks, banishing all daemons, smiting all undead then torching their bones.

One of the Chaos warband leaders played straight into the Witch Hunters hands. He managed to escape with his guts intact but not before spilling the beans... There had also been some collusion with another player. They called this an alliance?

The other new Chaos themed warband in Marienburg was described by the player using Ogres as 'broken'. That warband was dark worshippers led an assault against the Witch Hunters and were driven off in no more than 2 turns.

These heavily armoured Templars have not even been granted a license to make arrests in Marienburg and yet they are putting local law enforcers to shame!

All this evidence must be compelling enough to tell the Sigmarites to leave...


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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Thu 14 Feb 2013 - 15:34

Let them burn!! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 3:51

Every Warband has it's strengths and weaknesses - I've yet to see an over powerful warband!
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 3:55

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Every Warband has it's strengths and weaknesses - I've yet to see an over powerful warband!


True.

However, depending on your campaign and the opponents you're facing, some warband can get overpowered (for that particular campaign).

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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 4:10

Werekin...

What the WH do use as equipment?
What is their roster?
What spell(s) got the priest?

Battlefields are dense/light with many/few elevation?

What kind of tactic uses this player ? Cheesy and conservative?

The two warbands you told that were wiped are close-combat focused ( Marauders/Possessed). If your fellows rushed out in the open without hiding its sure they faced a lot of crossbow shots ... and crossbows are... painful.
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 11:06

I would definitly ban the bastard Witch hunter! How dares he kill innocent vampires? Don't they have rights? DON'T THEY!? And even doing it without a permit! Evil scum!

Seriously, that made my day. Keep a cool head and carrie a lit torch
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 11:25

I think they would trun to you and simply say "We are the Law" and then throw you on the fire with the other heratics if you try to banish them.
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 15:08

Maybe a union of some sorts would be of use?

In short, the Demonologists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing injustice of social stigma spread by the witchhunter organisation.

In all these movements, they bring to the front, as the leading question in each, the freedom question, no matter what its degree of development at the time.

Finally, they labour everywhere for the union and agreement of the autocratic organisations of all the gods of the immaterium.

The Demonologists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the templars of the false god Sigmar tremble at a Demonic revolution. The believers have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.

Demonologists of All Free Towns, Unite!
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Fri 15 Feb 2013 - 18:15

lol
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Sat 23 Feb 2013 - 15:56

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Alex said: I would definitly ban the bastard Witch hunter! How dares he kill innocent vampires?

Actually there haven't been any vampiric fatalities. The Strigoi vampire had a run in with some over-sized amphibians down in the Marienburg Grand Sewer Network.

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What the WH do use as equipment?
What is their roster?
What spell(s) got the priest?
Battlefields are dense/light with many/few elevation?
What kind of tactic uses this player ? Cheesy and conservative?

I'm not particularly familiar with witch hunting armaments. I would need to ask Commander Jarzembowski from the Order of the Holy Flame to scan a copy of his roster sheet.

Brothers and Sisters: It bugs me that the Mordheim Rulebooks gives no information about Templars of Sigmar receiving the blessings of Sigmar. Witch Hunters do receive Sigmar's blessings in the stories. As such I have included something covering this in the urban objectives for our campaign plot to this effect so that Sisters of Sigmar don't exclusively have holy preference over their godly 'brothers'.

The battlefields we use are densely populated with terrain features. You may have seen the fortifications on my dockside battlefield which appear on Liber Malefic. These are viewable on the gallery by clicking the logo link below. We also game using Joao's townscape which is a densely populated settlement.

The player uses a mix of martial manoeuvres honed from years of tabletop battles combined with story driven actions which he feels befit the nature of the campaign setting and help the Witch Hunters in their pursuit of fiery justice. Prompts are not needed with this player as he has a sound knowledge of the rules plus he has understood the objectives from the plot-line he is following.

If a 'Templars Tactics 101' is something folks are interested in then I will have to invite the player to work on a write-up.

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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Sun 24 Feb 2013 - 18:27

Any information about your on-going campaign would be joyously received. If given a choice I would love to see the promised battle reports and hear about Geekgirl's pirates first.bounce
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PostSubject: Re: Witch Hunters overpowered   Mon 25 Feb 2013 - 4:04

So you have the answer .. He's skilled Smile
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