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PostSubject: Beginner Questions   Sun 24 Aug 2008 - 10:58

Hey all!
I never played Mordheim or other Tabletops.
I have some Lord of the Rings miniatures here, but didnt play with them.
Now I wantet to start to play a tabletop like Mordheim.

Here are my questions:
- How long does a game take?
- Do I only need the Bandboxes from GW?
- Are there Good and Evil in this game or do you play all vs. all?
- Is it hard to play when I am new to tabletops?

Ehm thats it for now.

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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Sun 24 Aug 2008 - 12:35

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- How long does a game take?

depends on how many players and what scenario Wink

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- Do I only need the Bandboxes from GW?

for your first games you can play with only the box, but I advise you to make your models and terrain yourself though
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- Are there Good and Evil in this game or do you play all vs. all?

depends on the scenario and if you want that. You CAN play good vs evil, but you don't HAVE to
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- Is it hard to play when I am new to tabletops?
i don't think so, you should just read the rules and you'll be fine. or join an experienced gaming group which can teach you Smile!

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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Sun 24 Aug 2008 - 13:44

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- How long does a game take?

A 2 player game usually takes around 1 hour. Experienced players can "pull it off" in under 45mins. Muliplayer games can last muuuuch longer.

Stinka wrote:

- Do I only need the Bandboxes from GW?

Need? God no. They are usually quite easy to start with if you have not clue what to buy, but you'll find that making your models yourself from warhammer plastic sprues usually makes it easier to have a personalised warband. Equipment in Mordheim is important (WYSIWYG rule) so your models should represent the equipement carried as accurately as possible. Plastic sprues offer more possibilities for building "custom minis".

However I have bought the which hunter starter box though, because I like the models Smile

As matt said you will need a few more things than just models. You will also need:

- Tape measure (in inch if possible)
- Warband rosters
- Dice
- Scenery (accessible buildings... quite a lot actually. 5 is a good start).
- A set of the rules (download for free at www.mordheim.com)
- a little patience

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- Are there Good and Evil in this game or do you play all vs. all?

Usually it is everyone for himself. But alliances can of course be forged! In fact most of the time it is fun to have multiplayer games with good vs. evil teams.

Of course, it would be hard to explain how chaos worshippers can be allied to With Hunters... So you could say, as a general rule, yes, there is some good vs. evil.
But then again, are the guys who burn people at the stake for "witchcraft" REALLY good? I always feel like it is the radical politics of the establishment (i.e. the Empire) that pushes people into the arms of Chaos.

I think we need change in the Government of the Empire to fight poverty and analphabethism. We need more schools, more hospitals, museums etc. With a better infrastructure comes welfare and thus a safer, Chaos-free Nation. And we should start by abolishing this totalitarian Empire and replace it with a Democracy. How about " DROW - Democratic Republic of the Old World"?

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- Is it hard to play when I am new to tabletops?

It is a rather simple game system. The basics are easy to acquire, but of course it will require a little reading effort in the beginning.
You'll have to get familiar with movement, turn phases (= close combat, shooting, magic, compulsory moves etc), characteristics tests, rout tests, post battle sequence and a few more.

But it is rather easy to master. All it takes is a little practice. It really isn't rocket science.

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Ehm thats it for now.

Same here. Don't hesitate if you have more questions! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Sun 24 Aug 2008 - 13:51

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it would be hard to explain how chaos worshippers can be allied to With Hunters...

sounds quite familiar though Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Sun 24 Aug 2008 - 13:52

Haha! I said "hard to explain"... not "it never happened".

Did it happen? I can't remember with those voices in my head...

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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Mon 25 Aug 2008 - 2:24

- Do I only need the Bandboxes from GW?

No need to buy the boxes form Gamesworkshop. Below is a list I found from Mordheim specalist games section saying what you can buy to use as certain warbands:

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Warbands that can be assembled from one plastic box:
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Mercenaries - Empire militia (duh) or Brettonian men-at-arms (lots of equipment options from the command group spure, if your not going for a ranged warband)

Skaven - Night runners (duh) or plague monks for a different look (or the two combined)

Outlaws - Brettonian archers (even comes with the cleric!)

Shadow warriors - High elf archers (lack some equipment options though, helps alot to add the plastic mage and/or lord spure to the mix for more personalized models)

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Warbands that require one or two blisters, or boxes:
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Witch hunters - empire militia combined with the plastic flagellants (still needs them war dogs)

Dwarven treasure hunters - Thunderes combined with some slayers

Beastmen - the beastmen warriors box plus one centigor and perhaps one minotaur

Chaos Marauder warbands - Warriors of Chaos Boxed set, perhaps a few metal chaos warrior characters too.

Dark Elves - Plastic Corsairs.

Ogre Warband - Ogre Bulls and Gnoblar boxed set (both plastic).

Orc warband - any plastic orc and/or goblin boxed sets.

Kislevites - Mercenary boxed set w/ a few conversions (and a bear).

Wizarding Warband - Mercenary/Flagelents/and the new Empire Wizard plastic kit could probably do for you.

Any Undead - Skeleton/Ghoul boxed sets, perhaps the new plastic dire wolves, empire wizard plastic kit for necromancer, and 1 metal vampire.

Halfling warband - Just a box of gnoblars with flesh-colour paint would be fine. Smile

If ever there's a valid Daemon warband made, there's plastic slaanesh/khorne daemons now...




- Are there Good and Evil in this game or do you play all vs. all?

Technically ther eis good and evil, but if you are think it would be fun, mix ti up, put undead with humans and such and have great games, or if you like fluff, add reasons why those dwarves ro such will be allying for the next game.

- Is it hard to play when I am new to tabletops? [/quote]

Not really, Mordheim's rules seem fun to read so you should have easy time picking up the quick play rules, then advance form there with maybe a rule or two new per game or read upa nd practise the new rules. Its as detailed as you need it to be.


There is also a load of information online , if youi need the sites i'm sur epeople can post them here for you.

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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Mon 25 Aug 2008 - 3:21

Admin Tom wrote:
I can't remember with those voices in my head...

Are the voices saying "Save France?" Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Mon 25 Aug 2008 - 3:33

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But then again, are the guys who burn people at the stake for "witchcraft" REALLY good?

Yes, they are, and as a general rule, I think we should have more burning at the stakes, in public, and in private homes... just because it adds atmosphere and a feeling of safety -> phew! that evil witch won't take my soul anymore! hurray for the inquisition!
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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Mon 25 Aug 2008 - 6:06

Wow, Thank you very much for all the answers!

Admin Tom wrote:

Need? God no. They are usually quite easy to start with if you have not clue what to buy, but you'll find that making your models yourself from warhammer plastic sprues !

Are the figures in the box allready assembled (I got this word from the Google translator.. I hope its right Razz)?
I thought that there were different parts of the body, which I can use to make my "own" miniatures.
I think it is more fun, when every mini does look like a "unique warrior".

Thank you again for all the answers!

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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Mon 25 Aug 2008 - 6:35

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Are the figures in the box allready assembled (I got this word from the Google translator.. I hope its right Razz)?
I thought that there were different parts of the body, which I can use to make my "own" miniatures.
I think it is more fun, when every mini does look like a "unique warrior".

It depends on what you buy. If you buy a box of Mordheim witchhunters, for example, most of the minatures will not need assembling, a few might need attachment of arms or weapons. However, you will have to convert them to get a unique look. Also, the miniatures are made of metal which makes them much more difficult to convert.

Others, like the flagellant box or the empire militia box are made up of plastic sprues containing a lot of different weapon arms, bodies, legs, heads and some equipment as well. Thus, it's much easier to create a unique warband - you simply put the miniatures together the way you like them most. And plastic models are easier to convert as you often simply cut away something with a knife and glue something else to the place.

Staying with the witch hunter example, I'd suggest buying some plastic boxed sets to make up the core of your warband and to have a stock of models to further expand it as it develops. In addition, you could buy a few metal miniatures or blisters (like the great warrior priest) to have some detailled centrepieces which you could use as your heroes.

Note that it is usually cheaper to buy plastic boxed sets.
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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Mon 25 Aug 2008 - 8:06

Stinka wrote:
Wow, Thank you very much for all the answers!

No problem that's what we're here for Wink

Stinka wrote:
Are the figures in the box allready assembled? I thought that there were different parts of the body, which I can use to make my "own" miniatures.

When you buy a plastic regiment box from Warhammer you usually get different body parts from which to make your warriors. So they are not assembled (exception: Bretonnian archers come in almost one cast, except for the head).

The Mordheim warband boxes on the other hand contain metal miniatures. So customisation is much harder and involves a lot of converting.

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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Mon 25 Aug 2008 - 9:29

What minatures do I need to make a possesed or carnival of chaos warband?
And do I really need only 1 Ork regiment for an orkwarband (I don't know what equipment options are in the box, I have only LotR figures) ?
Is it a good idea to start with the warbands, which need only 1 regiment box?

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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Tue 26 Aug 2008 - 3:19

Stinka wrote:
What minatures do I need to make a possesed or carnival of chaos warband?
And do I really need only 1 Ork regiment for an orkwarband (I don't know what equipment options are in the box, I have only LotR figures) ?
Is it a good idea to start with the warbands, which need only 1 regiment box?

-Stinka


Well that depends, its cheaper to buy one box, but go for the warbands you like the look of.

That list is just purely a guide I found some guy posted showing how easy ti is to make warbands

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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Tue 26 Aug 2008 - 4:06

I would like to play possesed (or undead) - what miniatures do I need for a possesed warband?
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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Tue 26 Aug 2008 - 4:10

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I would like to play possesed (or undead) - what miniatures do I need for a possesed warband?

These are the officially available Miniatures for the Cult of the Possessed:
http://de.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.de?do=Individual&code=99111101001&orignav=300808

For a full list of GW miniatures released for the Possessed check out the Official Miniatures for Mordheim and click on the respective spoiler.

You can, of course, consider these as inspiration only and use whatever miniatures you prefer.

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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Wed 27 Aug 2008 - 10:16

Hi again,

@ cianty
I don't want to buy a Mordheim box from GW, I think it would be much more fun to have your own miniatures, but thank you anyway!

Another question:
What would be good starter warband for:

-Undead (My favorite minatures but I think its expensive to buy 1box ghouls, 1box zombies and a vampyre and a necromancer)
-Skaven (not as nice as undead, but nice too, cheaper than undead)

-Which Hunters (cool minis, too only 12 miniatures) ?

Well, it would be nice to show me a starter warband (how many minis, which minis,...), because I want to know what minis I have to buy first.

I don't want to spend too much money on testing this game, but I want to make individual miniatures.

I hope you can help me again

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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Thu 28 Aug 2008 - 1:59

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Hi again,

@ cianty
I don't want to buy a Mordheim box from GW, I think it would be much more fun to have your own miniatures, but thank you anyway!

Another question:
What would be good starter warband for:

-Undead (My favorite minatures but I think its expensive to buy 1box ghouls, 1box zombies and a vampyre and a necromancer)
-Skaven (not as nice as undead, but nice too, cheaper than undead)

-Which Hunters (cool minis, too only 12 miniatures) ?

Well, it would be nice to show me a starter warband (how many minis, which minis,...), because I want to know what minis I have to buy first.

I don't want to spend too much money on testing this game, but I want to make individual miniatures.

I hope you can help me again

-Stinka

in regards to the witch hunters you could easily get one box and a few empire free company to make up the numbers. Or if you like converting you could easily just use one box of Freecompyn (20 models in the box)

Skaven are the same that you could use one box of 20 to make a warband from.

If you want to test the game by all means se counters or random models you have until you know the rules and can decide. The good thing though is that Mordheim does not take much money.

For starters you cuold easily buy 1 box of human free company, which gives you the option of 3 origional warbands (1 little more strength, 1 more shooting, 1 more bartering and starting money) and a skaven box. You could even get two starting warbands uot of one Free company box as some human warbands are 9 when starting, so theres 2 warbands and two spare, and a skaven force Razz

Should let you get into the game and decide

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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Thu 28 Aug 2008 - 7:48

Thank you very much!
Is the Free company box the same as the Empire Militia box?
I can't find any box called free company...
If this is so I'm gonna buy 1 box of militia and 1 shadowrunner box thumbsup
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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Thu 28 Aug 2008 - 8:22

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Thank you very much!
Is the Free company box the same as the Empire Militia box?
I can't find any box called free company...
If this is so I'm gonna buy 1 box of militia and 1 shadowrunner box thumbsup

Thats the one sorry, so used to calling them free company.

If i could suggest one more item to get look in the empire section at the Mordheim bitz spruce, some nice extras on it and only a few . It will spice up your skaven and humans.

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PostSubject: Re: Beginner Questions   Thu 28 Aug 2008 - 13:45

Thank you!
I hope I find someone who wanta to play withe me, but I think thats not such a big problem.
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