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PostSubject: Orc animosity weapon choice and other questions   Tue 10 Jan 2012 - 21:34

Animosity rules state that if an orc rolls 1 on the chart he immediately charges nearest orc and fights a round of HTH with him. Personally I wonder, can orc player choose weapons with wich he fights? If a orc warrior has a mace and 2H weapon will he attack with 2H weapon, dual wielded mace&dagger or can orc player choose to fight a round of HTH only with dagger or mace? I know that choosing to fight with dagger in this situation appears kind of lame, but I think of animosity as something more like a "bar brawl" than a single minded intent to kill. Does anyone think the same?

Right after this round of combat, dem boyz move away 1", unless the other orc rolls 1 on animosity. Does this mean, that second orc (the one that was being charged) from that fight can do whatever player decides if he wont roll animosity (or die in the fight:))?

Other question. My colleague keeps telling me that dual wielding maces on orcs is cheesy. I think, that his Wich hunter captain has his pants full of ...courage and zeal... when he thinks of howling, cheap orcish horde with maces Smile Yup, I'm the orcish palyer, so I can be tad bit biased - but still, I would appreciate more opinions.
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PostSubject: Re: Orc animosity weapon choice and other questions   Wed 11 Jan 2012 - 0:47

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Animosity rules state that if an orc rolls 1 on the chart he immediately charges nearest orc and fights a round of HTH with him. Personally I wonder, can orc player choose weapons with wich he fights? If a orc warrior has a mace and 2H weapon will he attack with 2H weapon, dual wielded mace&dagger or can orc player choose to fight a round of HTH only with dagger or mace? I know that choosing to fight with dagger in this situation appears kind of lame, but I think of animosity as something more like a "bar brawl" than a single minded intent to kill. Does anyone think the same?
In my group we let the orc player choose.

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Right after this round of combat, dem boyz move away 1", unless the other orc rolls 1 on animosity. Does this mean, that second orc (the one that was being charged) from that fight can do whatever player decides if he wont roll animosity (or die in the fight:))?
RAW it seems that you're right, since the Animosity events take place at the start of the turn, before recovery. Since the models do not count as being in combat when the movement phase starts, they should be able to move normally, and even charge.

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Other question. My colleague keeps telling me that dual wielding maces on orcs is cheesy. I think, that his Wich hunter captain has his pants full of ...courage and zeal... when he thinks of howling, cheap orcish horde with maces Smile Yup, I'm the orcish palyer, so I can be tad bit biased - but still, I would appreciate more opinions.
Not cheesy. Any warrior (almost) in any warband (almost) can dual wield. If a member of your group thinks dual wielding is overpowered, discuss it. There are possible solutions in the Dual wield thread in this forum - check it out!
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PostSubject: Re: Orc animosity weapon choice and other questions   Wed 11 Jan 2012 - 2:22

folketsfiende wrote:
Aureus wrote:
Animosity rules state that if an orc rolls 1 on the chart he immediately charges nearest orc and fights a round of HTH with him. Personally I wonder, can orc player choose weapons with wich he fights? If a orc warrior has a mace and 2H weapon will he attack with 2H weapon, dual wielded mace&dagger or can orc player choose to fight a round of HTH only with dagger or mace? I know that choosing to fight with dagger in this situation appears kind of lame, but I think of animosity as something more like a "bar brawl" than a single minded intent to kill. Does anyone think the same?
In my group we let the orc player choose.
I agree.

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Aureus wrote:
Right after this round of combat, dem boyz move away 1", unless the other orc rolls 1 on animosity. Does this mean, that second orc (the one that was being charged) from that fight can do whatever player decides if he wont roll animosity (or die in the fight:))?
RAW it seems that you're right, since the Animosity events take place at the start of the turn, before recovery. Since the models do not count as being in combat when the movement phase starts, they should be able to move normally, and even charge.
I disagree. I believe that the orc with animosity does immediately charge but the round of hand-to-hand combat is delayed until later with the rest of the hand-to-hand combat. RAW doesn't explicitly support this but from experience playing with O&G a lot I have found that this is the simplest and most streamlined way to interpret the rules.

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Aureus wrote:
Other question. My colleague keeps telling me that dual wielding maces on orcs is cheesy. I think, that his Wich hunter captain has his pants full of ...courage and zeal... when he thinks of howling, cheap orcish horde with maces Smile Yup, I'm the orcish palyer, so I can be tad bit biased - but still, I would appreciate more opinions.
Not cheesy. Any warrior (almost) in any warband (almost) can dual wield. If a member of your group thinks dual wielding is overpowered, discuss it. There are possible solutions in the Dual wield thread in this forum - check it out!
I agree. (Two out of three ain't bad! Very Happy )
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PostSubject: Re: Orc animosity weapon choice and other questions   Wed 11 Jan 2012 - 2:27

RationalLemming wrote:
folketsfiende wrote:
Aureus wrote:
Right after this round of combat, dem boyz move away 1", unless the other orc rolls 1 on animosity. Does this mean, that second orc (the one that was being charged) from that fight can do whatever player decides if he wont roll animosity (or die in the fight:))?
RAW it seems that you're right, since the Animosity events take place at the start of the turn, before recovery. Since the models do not count as being in combat when the movement phase starts, they should be able to move normally, and even charge.
I disagree. I believe that the orc with animosity does immediately charge but the round of hand-to-hand combat is delayed until later with the rest of the hand-to-hand combat. RAW doesn't explicitly support this but from experience playing with O&G a lot I have found that this is the simplest and most streamlined way to interpret the rules.
You have a good point. It all depends on if Animosity events are all acted out at once, whereafter the turn continues as usual, or if I 'Erd Dat means that the greenskin issues a regular charge. I guess, the second interpretetation makes more sense in the game as a whole, and so support RationalLemming on this one, after all.
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PostSubject: Re: Orc animosity weapon choice and other questions   Wed 11 Jan 2012 - 3:41

If he thinks dual-mace is bad wait till he reads the errata that Orcs can but clubs for 3gc!

I try to upgrade everyone to swords as soon as I can but clubs are too good to just ignore!

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1 “I ’Erd Dat!” The warrior decides that the nearest friendly
Orc or Goblin Henchman has insulted his lineage or personal
hygiene and must pay the price! If there is a friendly Orc or
Goblin Henchman or Hired Sword within charge reach (if
there are multiple targets within reach, choose the one
nearest to the mad model), the offended warrior will
immediately charge and fight a round of hand-to-hand
combat against the source of his ire.
At the end of this round
of combat, the models will immediately move 1" apart and no
longer count as being in close combat (unless one of them
fails another Animosity test and rolls this result again). If
there are no friendly Orc or Goblin Henchmen or Hired
Swords within charge reach, and the warrior is armed with a
missile weapon, he immediately takes a shot at the nearest
friendly Orc or Goblin Henchman or Hired Sword. If none of
the above applies, or if the nearest friendly model is an Orc
Hero, the warrior behaves as if a 2-5 had been rolled on this
chart. In any case, the warrior in question may take no other
action this turn
, though he may defend himself if attacked in
hand-to-hand combat.
The combat takes place out of sequence and the attacker can't do anything else. His victim is free to carry on as normal.


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PostSubject: Re: Orc animosity weapon choice and other questions   Wed 11 Jan 2012 - 4:10

Thanks, that should clear things up.
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PostSubject: Re: Orc animosity weapon choice and other questions   Wed 11 Jan 2012 - 12:55

If one of my Orcs, armed with a two hander and a dagger charged one of his mates, you can be damn sure he will hit him with the two hander!

He is an Orc, and daggers are for pickin teef wiv, nought else!
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PostSubject: Re: Orc animosity weapon choice and other questions   Wed 11 Jan 2012 - 13:06

I would be ok with a houserule where if the orc has a club he has to use that. As he wants to bash da git gud!
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PostSubject: Re: Orc animosity weapon choice and other questions   Thu 12 Jan 2012 - 5:06

Hello there! We're starting campaign with 3 warbands (wh, orcs, skaven). What you see here, is what Aureus and I have argued about last time.
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Other question. My colleague keeps telling me that dual wielding maces on orcs is cheesy. I think, that his Wich hunter captain has his pants full of ...courage and zeal... when he thinks of howling, cheap orcish horde with maces Smile Yup, I'm the orcish palyer, so I can be tad bit biased - but still, I would appreciate more opinions.
I said you're spamming them. Mw too. And it is YOU who said dual wield is overpowered. And about "cheap orcish horde"... It's not your merit that orcs and goblins are underpriced pig

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Animosity rules state that if an orc rolls 1 on the chart he immediately charges nearest orc and fights a round of HTH with him. Personally I wonder, can orc player choose weapons with wich he fights? If a orc warrior has a mace and 2H weapon will he attack with 2H weapon, dual wielded mace&dagger or can orc player choose to fight a round of HTH only with dagger or mace? I know that choosing to fight with dagger in this situation appears kind of lame, but I think of animosity as something more like a "bar brawl" than a single minded intent to kill. Does anyone think the same?
I don't. Trying to get advantage even on this? Evil or Very Mad
Orc are known for fighting among themselves. And it's not butt kicking or face slapping but REAL combat with usage of weapons and something you call "single minded intent to kill". Don't try to force your point of view, that when orc is fighting orc, they're boxing on Queensberry rules. Orc holding 2 maces decides to throw them to the ground and take on another orc with a dagger?!why not with fists!?This option is more like "bar brawl"...
But ok. If you choose to make animosity atacks with dagger only, I'll consider you're using the same "combination" when fighting with my warriors...


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PostSubject: Re: Orc animosity weapon choice and other questions   Thu 12 Jan 2012 - 8:01

Awww... come on, why so angry? Smile

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Don't try to force your point of view

And how am I forcing anything here? I was just asking, and I have my answers.

Yet again, about maces. They are most efficient choice, as you well know. I see no reason to equip my orcs differently just to make you feel better, and at a cost of their battle prowess. I would have to divide them into smaller groups (bad for exp. should a group die out), it would cost more, and some weapon choices are next to useless (ork with spear, for example, or axe's insignificant bonus). Guess being reasonable makes me a bad person Smile Besides, later on in the campaign I will probably give them something better, swords, mayhaps. Depends on my budget and my whim.

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But ok. If you choose to make animosity atacks with dagger only, I'll consider you're using the same "combination" when fighting with my warriors...

I cant tell you with what your witch hunters may attack, can I? That makes it rather a petty threat. I had a conversation lately with a certain fellow about "simply enjoying the game", remember? Never mind, chill out a bit, go and work out etc. Hm, at this rate you will probably want to resolve next argument through personal combat Smile Just in case, Queensberry rules will do quite fine Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Orc animosity weapon choice and other questions   Thu 12 Jan 2012 - 8:47

yeah, looking for answers that support your point of view? Smile
I see you just skipped a part with my reasonig WHY orcs should fight with normal weapons. ....never mind I don't care about that anymore. I think it's against orky background and rules. And this game is BASED on background, as any other SF, fantasy game is. Rules and profiles are supposed to mirror stories etc. but no more on that. Very Happy
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Yet again, about maces.
...Yet again I tell you that I meant taking ALL warriors, and giving them 2x mace is a spam. And you did it several times. But I don't mind. I just say it's a spam. Rolling Eyes

...And I won't help you carrying this big bag of potatoes!

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PostSubject: Re: Orc animosity weapon choice and other questions   Thu 12 Jan 2012 - 9:32

catachanfrog wrote:
yeah, looking for answers that support your point of view? Smile

If you believe in what you write, doing otherwise would be sabotage Smile Not avoiding your arguments, you'll find my answer below.

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I see you just skipped a part with my reasonig WHY orcs should fight with normal weapons. ....never mind I don't care about that anymore. I think it's against orky background and rules. And this game is BASED on background, as any other SF, fantasy game is. Rules and profiles are supposed to mirror stories etc. but no more on that. Very Happy

Rules are based on stories, thats why orcs have animosity, anyway. Interpretation of stories is another thing, not to mention interpretation of rules. Both of those things largely depend on who you ask.

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...Yet again I tell you that I meant taking ALL warriors, and giving them 2x mace is a spam. And you did it several times. But I don't mind. I just say it's a spam. Rolling Eyes

And who told you I will? Maybe I'll surprise you?
... or not Razz Ahhh, how I relish the feeling of suspense Smile

We may make home rule on animosity before campaign, though. We'll see in time.

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Wanna bet? Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Orc animosity weapon choice and other questions   Thu 12 Jan 2012 - 9:58

As far as 'mace spam' is considered I have absolutly no problem with it. It is slightly broken, but anyone else can do the same thing so not unfair. I would say to not do that on heroes though as heroes should be unique and fun IMO.

Anyways remember that those maces the orcs are dual weilding will be bashing each other a few times a game.

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