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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Wed 18 Aug 2010 - 21:22

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don't forget that what this guy did is a serious crime, mail fraud, even at this low $$ amount. Contact the police in his locality and tell them what happened. They SHOULD take it seriously and they SHOULD be willing to rattle tis guys cage.

He's dumb enough to give a physical address. Its a pretty simple thing to file the police report and have them drive out and talk to him. I've seen it repeatedly on Bartertown when people think there is nothing to be done and if you can get an officer that is willing to listen that these ripoff artists at least get forced to return the goods or provide what they said they were going to.

Great thinking Nastyogre Smile

Would this be the folks to contact ? Winchester Police

Seems they have an option to email a report directly to them. I'll put together an email in the morning.

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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Wed 18 Aug 2010 - 22:10

pleasure to be of service.
You may have to pick up a phone. Make usre you get copies of the PC's and emails and provide your receipts for shipment. They may ask for proof before they do anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Thu 19 Aug 2010 - 2:43

Nastyogre is right, you should contact the police. Also, not to rain on anyones parade (if it can be called so), but threatening physical abuse - even to a douchebag such as this scammer dude - is a crime as well in most parts of the world, so it might be a good idea not to. I fully understand the anger that people feel, and sympathize, but channel it correctly.
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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Thu 19 Aug 2010 - 3:06

Nastyogre, in principle you are right.

I am not law savvy enough to give an intelligent comment, but I wonder if there are enough grounds (legally speaking) for a police officer to actually seek out that guy.

I think if you file such a case, then you must be able to prove unequivocally that there was a contract basis for your trade, which this person did not fulfill.
I am unsure as to wether a PM exchange constitutes sufficient proof for that.

But I would be glad to have someone with some legal knowledge give me a detailed explaination of how.

[EDIT]: I was told that this is a matter of civil law which is at this stage unrelated to criminal law, i.e. the police is not responsible, but your lawyer is. He said the police will not go to his house and "rattle his cage" unfortunately. And a lawyer will cost more than the models that that were stolen.

[EDIT]: I am also told that a PM exchange DOES constitute a contract basis. Even if the agreement was only oral, it is binding legally. So you can sue the person. If one actually wins the case is another matter.

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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Thu 19 Aug 2010 - 6:32

Here in The States, if a claim is under $500, it falls in the realm of Small Claims Court. To settle a claim there, you'd both have to appear in person. Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Thu 19 Aug 2010 - 8:32

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don't forget that what this guy did is a serious crime, mail fraud, even at this low $$ amount. Contact the police in his locality and tell them what happened. They SHOULD take it seriously and they SHOULD be willing to rattle tis guys cage.


I've had the same problem once, and I did call the police. They told me I had to first send him an official letter, in which I speciffically had to let the person know he had a number of days to pay me back. If I didn't recieve the money back after that period of time, only then could I make an official report to the police...

To much trouble for some money if you're asking me...


But then again, other country, different rules Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Fri 20 Aug 2010 - 4:18

Another rule for trades could be that the person with less posts sends their package off first (or the money) and then the other person - rather than the one who wants to pay money always doing so first.

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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Sat 21 Aug 2010 - 5:48

I personally believe it is worth it to report a person for theft/fraud anyway to any authority, preferably the police. This at least means this person will think twice about doing it again and next time he does something criminal the cops will have your experience on record.

You might just save somebody else from being robbed a similar way, or make it easier for another person to prosecute this scumbag.
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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Sat 21 Aug 2010 - 7:30

While it may cost you more than it's worth to pursue justice, such as it is, through the legal system, here on T.B.M.F. you can give the S.O.B. a NEGATIVE Trader Score by going to one of his Threads: http://boringmordheimforum.forumieren.com/trading-pit-f10/h-possessed-w-skaven-cash-t4059.htm#59894 AND click the "-" on the far right of his posts...AND he'll bear THE STIGMA OF UNSCRUPULOUSNESS as long as The Forum exists. Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Sat 21 Aug 2010 - 8:22

I just re-read the topic... I can't believe I even helped him, by pointing out veskit in there Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Sat 21 Aug 2010 - 9:20

Hey Tom,

One flaw in the rating system is that I can rate each post. I just bumped your rep by 2 points in less then 10 seconds. All a smart scam artist needs to do is give himself a plus on every post he wrote. Not sure how this could be fixed unless you make it so people cannot +1 the same person more than once? or once a month?
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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Sat 21 Aug 2010 - 9:49

you cannot rate your own posts...
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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Sat 21 Aug 2010 - 9:59

its easy enough to make a second account to do it.
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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Sat 21 Aug 2010 - 10:22

Perhaps it's possible to allow only users with a certain post count to rate posts.
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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Sat 21 Aug 2010 - 10:49

Eliazar wrote:
Perhaps it's possible to allow only users with a certain post count to rate posts.

Sounds like a solid solution to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Scammed   Sat 21 Aug 2010 - 15:18

Most local jurisdicitons are not very interested but this is mail fraud. Which makes it a federal crime in the United States. Contacting the local police will usually yield some results.

Yes the small amount ends up in small claims. Tell the police you want to file a CRIMINAL report. Its theft and they should pay attention. They might just be willing to rattle his cage and see what they can get.

There is rarely a cost too high for justice. The value of the items are meaningless. Its the fact that the thief deserves to be caught is why you do the work.
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