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PostSubject: In search of Humans!   Tue 25 May 2010 - 5:37

Joined the army about six years ago and foolishly traded away my mordheim models before shipping off. Now that I'm out of the barracks I would like to get back into the game again, but it appears that most of the models I am after are a bit of pain to get a hold of. Trying to see if anybody has full sets of human warbands they would like to part with for $$$. I know many are available individually on ebay and some on the GW website, but perhaps someone has a full set they would part with?

In the market for
Middenheim Captain w/ Sword and Buckler *purchased
Middenheim Captain w/ two weapons *purchased
Middenheim Champion w/ Halberd *purchased
Middenheim Champion w/2hd Hammer *purchased
Both Middenheim Youngbloods *purchased

Reiklander Captain Fat
Reiklander Captain w/Sword and Pistol
Reiklander Champion with 2hd Sword
Reiklander Champion with beard *purchased
Reiklander Youngbloods *purchased

Marienburger Captain with Sword and Buckler
Marienburger Captain w/ 2 pistols
Marienburger Champion with two swords *purchased
Both Marienburger Youngbloods *purchased

The complete set of Averlanders (rare it seems) *purchased

The complete set of Ostlanders (also rare) *purchased

The Warlock Hired Sword

If you are in the market to part with any of these then please let me know. As I said I only have cash to offer as I have currently have a non-exsistant collection. Thanks for your time


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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Sun 30 May 2010 - 11:54

Updated the list
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Tue 1 Jun 2010 - 0:39

Updated again. Thanks to those who have been helping me out!
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Tue 1 Jun 2010 - 19:15

Wow, you found a set of Averlanders? I have been hunting for some Averlanders for over a year and have had no such luck. Good for you!!
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Tue 1 Jun 2010 - 20:44

I will check and see what I have.

I assume you live in the States?
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Wed 2 Jun 2010 - 20:00

My address is for the States (WA)

As for the Averlanders and Ostlanders, they are a mixed blessing. I found auctions on Ebay from a seller that had a HUGE treasure trove of old GW products. All items were metal and he had a huge selection of old models from Man-o-War, Necromunda, 40k, Fantasy, and Mordheim. For mordheim he was selling Ostalnders, Averlanders, Shadow Warriors, and the casualties. I was outbid on both the Ostlanders and the Averlanders, but low and behold I received an email giving me a second offer for both. I took the offer, but something in the back of my mind just screamed "to good to be true." I checked the auctions I had lost, and I was not the second highest bidder at all! I could possibly see how someone would have a second warband that he wanted to sell, but to say that he had enough for the top five bidders? I checked through the sellers ebay reviews, and out of the 1300 positive results, he had 16 that all accused him of selling counterfeit GW products.

Honestly it would make sense why the guy would be able to have so much classic GW products. I am sure the quality will be fine, since making copies of metal models is relatively easy to do, but I do feel kind of ripped off in a way since I am not getting legit product. Still, how hard is it to find those two warbands? Obviously I lucked out in seeing the auctions, but in the end I'm just helping a guy who is selling illegal items. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Wed 2 Jun 2010 - 23:52

lowenbraugh wrote:
My address is for the States (WA)

As for the Averlanders and Ostlanders, they are a mixed blessing. I found auctions on Ebay from a seller that had a HUGE treasure trove of old GW products. All items were metal and he had a huge selection of old models from Man-o-War, Necromunda, 40k, Fantasy, and Mordheim. For mordheim he was selling Ostalnders, Averlanders, Shadow Warriors, and the casualties. I was outbid on both the Ostlanders and the Averlanders, but low and behold I received an email giving me a second offer for both. I took the offer, but something in the back of my mind just screamed "to good to be true." I checked the auctions I had lost, and I was not the second highest bidder at all! I could possibly see how someone would have a second warband that he wanted to sell, but to say that he had enough for the top five bidders? I checked through the sellers ebay reviews, and out of the 1300 positive results, he had 16 that all accused him of selling counterfeit GW products.

Honestly it would make sense why the guy would be able to have so much classic GW products. I am sure the quality will be fine, since making copies of metal models is relatively easy to do, but I do feel kind of ripped off in a way since I am not getting legit product. Still, how hard is it to find those two warbands? Obviously I lucked out in seeing the auctions, but in the end I'm just helping a guy who is selling illegal items. Sad

Could you post some pictures when you receive them... i wonder how copied models look like. Hope you didn't payed to much for them if they are copied....
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Thu 3 Jun 2010 - 1:43

If you are sure those are counterfeit models you can send them to GW headquarters, they will prosecute the counterfeiter (which may help you with your bad feelings) and they will supply you with the genuine models (If they can - and seeing these are OOP models, I don't have high hopes you'll get them) In the end it's up to you if you want to keep your fakes. But you can still tip GW about the guy and feel good about yourself
you can find all info on page 3 of GW's legal site.

and i'm also interested in seeing the quality of the fakes. You gotta let us know if you can see the difference
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Thu 3 Jun 2010 - 3:51

I will be glad to post pictures, unfortunately though I am currently deployed so it will be a few months before I can post pictures. Once I am back though I will certainly get some hi-res shots of them and let you all know. Thanks for the info about the GW website.

I've collected all the sellers info so far, so once I get back I will pass the information along to GW
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Thu 3 Jun 2010 - 4:29

That really sucks, too bad. I too would really like to see pictures of counterfeit GW models. Yes, the Averlanders and Ostlanders are extremely hard to come by. I rather doubt I could spot the difference between counterfeit models and genuine ones.
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Thu 3 Jun 2010 - 10:46

Joker2and53 wrote:
I rather doubt I could spot the difference between counterfeit models and genuine ones.

The usual giveaway is 2 mold lines. The one that is from the original cast, plus the new one from duplicating. It is quite hard to match a new 2-part mold to the original mold line.
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Mon 7 Jun 2010 - 8:09

Lowenbraugh; the sellers name wasn't "cyberspawn" was it ?

His auctions finished on the 29th May and he had some very, very nice stuff. I just checked his feedback and he appears to have two people saying he's selling fakes / re-casts Sad

If it is the same guy you're talking about then i won the dark elves and all the casualties .... saw the Ostanders and Averlanders but the price tag put me off.

Yet to receive the miniatures and he should be posting them this week with any luck.

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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Mon 7 Jun 2010 - 8:10

I got all the casualaties too... but i only sell them if the offer is good enough Smile
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Mon 7 Jun 2010 - 23:59

Kafka wrote:
Lowenbraugh; the sellers name wasn't "cyberspawn" was it ?

His auctions finished on the 29th May and he had some very, very nice stuff. I just checked his feedback and he appears to have two people saying he's selling fakes / re-casts Sad

If it is the same guy you're talking about then i won the dark elves and all the casualties .... saw the Ostanders and Averlanders but the price tag put me off.

Yet to receive the miniatures and he should be posting them this week with any luck.

- Kafka

Yes, Cyberspawn was the name. He had an awesome selection indeed. The price of the Ostlanders/Averlanders was very high, but I received a second chance offer at half the price of the winning bid. Very odd indeed. Since you will get to check out your elves before I can see mine, please check to see the quality of them. I would be interested to see your take on the quality.
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Tue 8 Jun 2010 - 0:27

Updated the list and added the Warlock to the want list
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Tue 8 Jun 2010 - 2:04

Morning,

lowenbraugh wrote:

Yes, Cyberspawn was the name. He had an awesome selection indeed. The price of the Ostlanders/Averlanders was very high, but I received a second chance offer at half the price of the winning bid. Very odd indeed.

It's possible the people who put the higher bids pulled out of the auction because they couldn't cover the costs ... odd and a long shot but stranger things have happened.

I wish i had put a bid on - maybe i would have received the same offer as yourself and would have some proof he's selling multiple copied sets to all bidders on a particular auction.

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Since you will get to check out your elves before I can see mine, please check to see the quality of them. I would be interested to see your take on the quality.

Will do Smile Post usually takes 7-14 days from the US though

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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Tue 8 Jun 2010 - 3:00

It is possible that maybe one person could have pulled out, but when there are five higher bids, then there is something weird going on.

I actually almost bid on the elves as well, since I know that they are hard to find. Perhaps I should have since I could have gotten a second offer as well. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Tue 8 Jun 2010 - 18:55

Honestly, if I had the chance to pull the trigger on some counterfeit kislevites, I'd have to think long and hard about whether or not to turn the offer down. Thinking about it right now, I'd probably turn the offer down, and then cry in my beer for a week.
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Wed 16 Jun 2010 - 14:35

Updated the list again. Almost complete with the Middenheimers!
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Mon 21 Jun 2010 - 19:19

Can the models be painted?
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Tue 22 Jun 2010 - 4:42

Painted is not a problem, unless it's a good paint job that would up the value of the mini. I hate to strip mini's that have a good paint job and if it's a good one you would be better off selling them on ebay to make a good price.
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PostSubject: Re: In search of Humans!   Mon 5 Jul 2010 - 6:17

Lowenbraugh,

Figures arrived today and for the most part they appear to be original casts

There's a few with double cast lines - notably the Blood Bowl trophy i won and the bore casualty figure. Other than that they seem fine. The trophy is an old figure which was re-released by GW and i have noticed that GW have made newer molds of old figures.

It appears they are not bothering with the original casting lines when re-creating and the "newly available" old stuff has double cast lines.

I bought a chaos door from GW mail order a few weeks ago and notcied the lines immediately - i have an original i bought from ebay about 8 years ago.

I'll post up a comparrison pic when i find my camera

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