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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Tue 20 Apr 2010 - 7:54

yes, the axe might become a problem. It might be an idea (and I'm aware of the Coreheim rules for axes) to make the two-handed weapons (flail, DHW) the main options to negate any armour.

How will the club be discourage?
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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Tue 20 Apr 2010 - 18:32

The club is discouraged by the fact that it is no longer the cheapest weapon at 8 gc. Meatshields are pretty much always given the cheapest weapon option (well, except the dagger).
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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Tue 20 Apr 2010 - 19:28

Lord 0 wrote:
Well, DW will certainly be discouraged from henchmen with the fee. I think, though, making the cheapest weapon the Axe will discourage people taking the shield as an offhand.

If the cheapest weapon you can buy for a meat-shield is the axe then the proliferation of axes is going to make lower levels of armour less attractive for everyone, particularly Toughened leathers, light armour, bucklers, and shields with no other armour.

Most meat shield henchmen have a S3 attack though and a Shield in CC gives a 5+ Armour Save which is still a 6+ Armour Save after Cutting Edge has been applied. Shields may not be totally useless but I agree that Light Armour would never be worthwhile in the current system.

Perhaps the solution is similar to what others have done and up the price of Maces and Hammers with Concussion to 8gc as in your current house rules but keep Clubs at 3gc and remove Concussion so that they are effectively a cheap, basic weapon with no special rules (after all it is just a block of wood). Therefore the cheapest weapon for meat shields is once again the Club (only without Concussion now).

Of course, all warband listings currently with access to Clubs, Maces or Hammers would need access to all three in this system now that they have separate rules to ensure that this change does not accidentally indirectly unbalanced one warband over another.
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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Wed 21 Apr 2010 - 2:26

Well light armour in combination with shield for heroes can be quite neat for a 4+ save...

Yes, keeping the club at the same price without the concussion could be a good idea.
One could also use the -1S to dagger, and add a +1 to enemy AS for the club. That seems fair for a 3GC wooden stick...
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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Wed 21 Apr 2010 - 16:33

I would definitely not give -1S to a dagger attack. What you would be doing is saying that it is easier to would with a piece of wood over a sharp piece of metal. +1 AS makes sense as clothing or weak (non-equated) armour like quilted that would be worn by many models does have a chance to block the slash. However, a dagger is still a VERY deadly weapon, make no mistake. I would not want to see daggers be the same as unarmed combat.
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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Wed 21 Apr 2010 - 17:23

SiliconSicilian wrote:
I would definitely not give -1S to a dagger attack. What you would be doing is saying that it is easier to would with a piece of wood over a sharp piece of metal. +1 AS makes sense as clothing or weak (non-equated) armour like quilted that would be worn by many models does have a chance to block the slash. However, a dagger is still a VERY deadly weapon, make no mistake. I would not want to see daggers be the same as unarmed combat.

I've always felt they had clubs and daggers backwards - after all, all it takes to get a club is to break the leg off of a chair or table or the branch off a tree - daggers would be a bit more difficult to find/make. I admit that random bits of wood do not make a high-quality club, but it can be used to beat somebody. +1 AS also seemed like it would be more applicable to clubs than daggers.
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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Wed 21 Apr 2010 - 18:47

SiliconSicilian wrote:
I would definitely not give -1S to a dagger attack. What you would be doing is saying that it is easier to would with a piece of wood over a sharp piece of metal. +1 AS makes sense as clothing or weak (non-equated) armour like quilted that would be worn by many models does have a chance to block the slash. However, a dagger is still a VERY deadly weapon, make no mistake. I would not want to see daggers be the same as unarmed combat.

I think that -1S to dagger attacks does make sense. Daggers are small so while they can still be deadly I think there is justification to say that it is hard for a warrior to get their full strength into an attack with a dagger. Also, on the other end of the scale there is +1S or +2S for big weapon so a -1S for a small, bladed weapon could make sense. Wyldhunt has taken this route with daggers also.

@Popmouth... what you say could work. Hopefully your play testing goes well and you can come back with some feedback from game play.
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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Wed 21 Apr 2010 - 20:39

As I said, that is like saying that a dagger is an expensive bare hand. If you want to give a dagger -1 to injury rolls, that sounds reasonable. But, a dagger is very easy to wound someone with, and most wounds would end in death or serious trauma. Getting all your strength behind a dagger blow is not needed, but is easy. Strength in Mordheim is used as a determining factor as to how easy it is to wound your opponent.
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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Thu 22 Apr 2010 - 1:05

Is it a to bad restriction to give the dagger a "strike last" rule instead? It seems quite reasonable, since most times you would have to dodge a blow before you get in close enough!
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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Thu 22 Apr 2010 - 1:32

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Is it a to bad restriction to give the dagger a "strike last" rule instead? It seems quite reasonable, since most times you would have to dodge a blow before you get in close enough!

Only in the first round of combat, in that case. Afterwards, the combattants respective Initiative should settle any "close enough" issues.
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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Thu 22 Apr 2010 - 3:21

Yeah, that seems reasonable.
So if you have a sword and a daggar and charge, your sword would attack first, then opponent strikes and finally you can use your dagger.
This seems to fit fine with fluff to me. In kendo (which I train with 2 Dan) if you go nito (two swords, one short and one long) you usually use the long to strike first and distract the opponent, then you make your second strike with the smaller.

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So this is what our House rules looks right now:


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Dual Wield Costs 15g to learn how to DW, anyone who can bare melee-weapons may train in DW. If a model without the skills carries two weapons, he [/b]must choose which he is striking with before he rolls.
Shield shield gives an aditional +1 for a 5+ save in close combat.,
Buckler gives 6+.
Hand gun 蔓Gives in addition +1 to injury roll.
Climbing May be done in the mid of a run/walk (still no running while climbing).
Spears Always strikes first, first round of combat
Club cost 3g no concussion +1 to enemy AS
Mace/Hammer Cost 8g
Dagger Remove the + to armor save. Instead strikes last in the first round of combat (against others who have the strike last rule, i.e. Two handed Weapons the initative resolves who strikes first).
Critical hit no chart, always double wounds, armour saves alowed,
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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Thu 22 Apr 2010 - 18:21

Progression!
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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Mon 26 Apr 2010 - 2:46

Tell us how it goes after a few games! thumbsup
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PostSubject: Re: Popmouth's House Rules   Mon 26 Apr 2010 - 3:00

I will...
Hopefully I can get some friends together and get everyone to start from scratch, that way we can get the best out of it...
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