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PostSubject: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Sat 1 Sep 2007 - 11:09

As we're planning to stop playing in the forest around Mordheim, my friends and I want to build a city-table, similar to the one Tom uses.
But I don't know what kind of material you used, is it styrofoam?
On the styrofoam I have, you can't carve the copplestones so nicely.

So, whats the trick?
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Sat 1 Sep 2007 - 14:05

Aaaah! This is a topic I could go on and on about Very Happy But I'll try to be brief.

What you need for your gaming board is usually called "Styrodur". It's a very homogenous type of styropor, extremely light, yet very hard. The cool thing about it, is that it is furthermore very easy to cut with a sharp modelling knife and very easy to engrave/carve. Every large home improvement store has it! It usually comes as roughly 0,6x1,2m plates (pink or white) and is used in construction to insulate walls in buildings and houses.

Here in Austria it is called "Styrodur Isolierplatten" and I bought it at OBI, which is a store that I think exists in Germany aswell. Maybe that helps you Erkwin.

Another cool sidenote: If you buy 2 plates, you (usually) have a perfect 1,2x1,2m Mordheim table, the perfect size for a 2-4 player gaming board! (That's the size of my table).

It's rather cheap too! I bought mine at 5€ a piece. So 10€ in total.

In my opinion this stuff is worth it's weight in gold! The nec plus ultra for making gaming tables.

I hope I was able to help you (and give you the "trick"). Let us know about your progress!

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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Sat 1 Sep 2007 - 15:25

I bought a 4'x8' piece years ago, planning to build a mordheim board. I never even started it Very Happy. I've found it 3 weeks ago and settled to carve the ±40 000 stone that will cover the finished board. I've spent like 3-4 hours working on it and I've done around 30%. It takes soo000 much time, and then I'll have to paint it too. This is a huge project, even if it's simple.
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Sat 1 Sep 2007 - 15:36

I know styrodor, I even have a lot of it in the cellar(although it is blue Very Happy ), but it is has a, well let's call it wabe-structure(mir fällt es schwer das auf Englisch zu sagen, also nochmal auf Deutsch Wink : Es hat eine merkwürdige wabenförmige Oberfläche), in which you cannot carve copplestone very well.
Maybe I should have a look at another store, since OBI excist in Germany as well, as you said. And the stuff is also called Isolationsplatten or something like this.
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Sun 2 Sep 2007 - 6:45

Great then!

Don't forget to show us pics as soon as it starts to look like something ;)

@Wabenstruktur: Alles klar. Es gibt auch verschiede Arten von Isolierplatten. Du musst einfach mal mit dem Fingernagel hineinfahren und schauen ob das Styrodur "weich" genug ist um es ritzen zu können!
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Sun 21 Oct 2007 - 11:23

Hey a'all!

I am going to make a Northern Wastes board.. sand, snow and stuff..
So I am wondering how to do it best. I bought four wooden plates years ago but they were way too heavy in the end. Is styrodur really that good? I am worried that it might break too easily. I don't want my board to break after its first couple of uses. What are your opinions?

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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Sun 21 Oct 2007 - 11:34

Have a look at this, in my opinion a very good instruction:

http://www.sweetwater-forum.de/

Then go to "Gelände-&Modellbau" an after that "Bau von Geländeplatten", the first post.
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Sun 21 Oct 2007 - 14:24

Thanks a LOT, Erkwin! Thats a huge help!

(@others: it's in German only - just so y'all know)

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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Sun 21 Oct 2007 - 14:28

Yes, it helped me a lot building my first table(which still is under construction for over half a year Laughing )
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Sun 21 Oct 2007 - 14:58

Errr. I wish I could undestand this.
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Sun 21 Oct 2007 - 17:22

LOL! Thanks Erkwin...

It's the idea that counts Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Sat 24 Nov 2007 - 18:53

cianty wrote:
I am worried that it might break too easily. I don't want my board to break after its first couple of uses. What are your opinions?

Sorry i didn't see that line.

Don't worry, it won't break. You'd have to do it on purpose to break that thing.
I mean, I don't know how angry your players get when they lose or what you mean by "uses". Usually I "use" my board to place and push miniatures around on it that weigh around 50g.

Just don't stand on your table and you should be OK Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Sun 9 Dec 2007 - 10:58

Erkwin wrote:
Have a look at this, in my opinion a very good instruction:

http://www.sweetwater-forum.de/

Then go to "Gelände-&Modellbau" an after that "Bau von Geländeplatten", the first post
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I wish my wife got those German lessons she's been wanting... =)
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Tue 1 Jan 2008 - 13:13

Here is a pic of my table (WIP). I tweaked the constrast and brightness so the carved area shows up good but it has screwed the colors :/.


You can see that i'm ±65% done.

The piece of foam I used is not ideal - there is a lot of holes and the borders are pretty much screwed, but painted it will be nice - and you can always argue that Mordheim is not supposed to be clean and perfect Very Happy. I plan to add wood all around it to solidify the table and hide the borken borders.

The dark area in the top corner is a 'test-spot' where II tried to paint to see what the finished product would look like.

A zoom with some figs to show the scale.
I bought this rat-ogre a weeks ago and it was already painted - this is why the base is erm* plain*. I'll repaint it soon.

As soon as I work out how to do good figs pics I'll show you my warband.
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Tue 1 Jan 2008 - 15:07

Nice! Be sure to show more pictures once you've finished the table.
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Tue 1 Jan 2008 - 16:46

Yea, that is great. Keep up the good work.

What is the name of the material you used?

Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Wed 2 Jan 2008 - 17:10

It's a 4'x4' extruded polystyrene piece. It's normaly used for house insulation. I'd have liked to have it cut into two 2x4 piece for easier storage but now its kinda late. I'm too scared to mess it up. Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Wed 2 Jan 2008 - 17:19

JohnYoung wrote:
I'd have liked to have it cut into two 2x4 piece for easier storage but now its kinda late. I'm too scared to mess it up. Neutral

Same problem here! Very Happy

But don't worry, there is always a spot to put those plates (even if it means you have to pile 'em up on top of a cupboard).

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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Wed 2 Jan 2008 - 17:30

Admin Tom wrote:

Tom,

Another Board Question: Now that you've had this "sewer" thing sunken in to your board for a while (I assume), what's your opinion of it? Is it useful? Do people ever use it?

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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Wed 2 Jan 2008 - 17:32

Hmmm actually, since I am always trying to use as many levels as possible (above ground) people don't use the sewers much. We used to have wyrdstone counters there though, and that's when they would get used more...

The problem is that these "sewers" are too few. You can simply avoid them by placing your troops adequately and moving around.

It would have been wiser to build a real canal system. like for example in Venice, Brugge or Amsterdam.

hmmm... there's an idea...

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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Wed 2 Jan 2008 - 17:35

or maybe sewer lines with holes in the streets from where they can come out via ladder...

this was an idea me and my partner (in mordheim) though of doing.
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Wed 2 Jan 2008 - 18:04

@tom: Yea... that's what I figured

@hellfoot: Haha, I was thinking about that a couple nights ago... Making "man hole covers" around your board, and have a separate dungeon board that corresponds with the man-holes... But I decided it would start to create more annoyances than coolness... so I scratched it =)

1 of my new year resolutions is to make my board. I'm planning on making 4 2foot square sections. or should I do 2 2x4 sections?
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Thu 3 Jan 2008 - 4:29

If you plan on glueing your buildings to the table, try to have as many sections as you can in order to randomize the tiles (and thus the terrain) for each game.

If you are planning a less realistic but more versatile table à la Warhammer (i.e. Board + loads of separate buildings) try to have as few sections as you can. The less cracks and junctions there are, the smoother the table looks (also on photos!).

Since with only 4 2x2 sections there is not much to randomise, I'd say go for the second solution and make 2 4x2 boards.

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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Thu 3 Jan 2008 - 7:30

As you mentioned sewers and such- prepare to cry guys, I nearly did when I saw this:
http://gidian-gelaende.de/Material_HP/Wolfgang/WIPmortheim/album/index.html

Takes some time to look at it all, but it is worth the efford.
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PostSubject: Re: Which material to use for a gaming table?   Thu 3 Jan 2008 - 9:52

*sniff sniff sniff*

OMG thats Awesome nice link Erkwin!!!!!
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