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PostSubject: Lances   Mon 6 Jul 2009 - 9:08

The lance entry in the rule book is ridiculous. I realise fantasy doesn't translate exactly over, but seriously?

The entry says:
"Range: Close Combat; Strength: As user +2; Special Rules: Cavalry weapon/bonus

SPECIAL RULES

Cavalry weapon:
A warrior must own a warhorse to use a lance, as it can only be used whilst he is on horseback.
Cavalry bonus: If using optional rules for mounted models, a warrior armed with a lance receives a +2 Strength bonus when he charges. This bonus only applies for that turn."


Which, as you read it, means it is a 1 handed weapon, that strikes at initiative, you can use every turn, and gives you +4 strength on the charge, and +2 strength every other turn. It doesn't even have the same rule as a spear where you can only use it in conjunction with a shield.

Where as in fantasy, its just +2 str on the charge.

Has there been some errata to this officialy?
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PostSubject: Re: Lances   Mon 6 Jul 2009 - 10:05

the way our Bret player uses it is that he only gets +2 on the charge, and that you cannot use 2 of them.


and the ONLY mention in the official errata says that you can switch to a different weapon after the initial charge.

hmm, our Bret player might get happy if I point out it doesnt technically say you can only use one.
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PostSubject: Re: Lances   Mon 6 Jul 2009 - 11:49

Our group wouldn't even entertain the idea of +4 on the charge. Too much rules lawyering not enough fun.
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PostSubject: Re: Lances   Mon 6 Jul 2009 - 13:44

It was a wording snafu. It should be +2 and no, even though not specified per say it wouldnot be possible to use two of them at the same time. If you can not use two spears then you could not use two lances.

When I had started playing 9 years I first believed it to be a 4+ to Strength but over time, much drinking and learning from others it is only a +2.
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PostSubject: Re: Lances   Mon 6 Jul 2009 - 14:02

Yeah, I know it's supposed to be +2, it's just a matter of convincing the other player. "But, it says it in the rule book." Out of everyone who is playing there is only 1 other guy (out of the 6 of us) that has played the game before, and i'm the only one who has been playing for a long time, goin on 11 years now, over half my life, just barely now.
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PostSubject: Re: Lances   Mon 6 Jul 2009 - 14:26

Here is one of those things that goes contrary to most things. This particular issue has been noted since the beginning and in 2002 it was talked about a lot but it was forgotten whenever a FAQ or RR would come out.

It is meant to be +2 only +4 would make it a S7 weapon and there are not too many of those in Mordheim.

If your gaming buddies doubt it then ask them to think about it for a minute and name another Strength 7 weapon in Mordheim.

It is a double wording issue more than anything.

If they really doubt tell them to post the question on the SG Mordheim forum and I will answer it the same way,.
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PostSubject: Re: Lances   Mon 6 Jul 2009 - 15:27

Ha ha, thanks, will do.
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PostSubject: Re: Lances   Fri 10 Dec 2010 - 9:04

Still...

Lances suck. 20G for a weapon that give +2S that you can only use mounted, only use with a shield, and that you can, in theory, just use the turn you charge is rather pathetic...

Get a spear, its cheaper and offer first strike when you're charged as well as +1S.

Indeed - rules for mounted character are simply under-balanced for the price of mounts... but thats another topic...
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