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PostSubject: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 4:30

Now, I know full well that both Mordheim and the Orc Warband pre-dates the introduction of the Choppa to Fantasy, and as Mordheim is a skirmish game, there's more room for variety between individual orc's equiipment. However, as a sucker for anything green, mean and 'itty, I have for a long time been speculating on how to best represent the Choppa in Mordheim, and while an axe might be your best bet, or perhaps the morning star representing the WHFB-effect of a Choppa, I was thinking that there could be a better way of representing the heavy impact and brutality of the Choppa.

So, here's my idea. A single-handed weapon, Orcs only, that gives you +1 to injury rolls. Price-wise I have no Idea of what to charge, though around 10gc is my general idea. I think it could work, based on the fact that you have to both hit and wound first, and therefore it doesn't seem too overpowered, but it still conveys the brutal power of an Orcish choppa. So, let me know what you think!
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 6:00

maybe it stops parrying any attacks form it due to its choppy size?

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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 6:16

The morning star if it was dual wield-able is perfect for this.
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 6:30

It would need to cost around 15 to 20 gcs.
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 7:15

Why not just use it as an axe?
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 11:38

Axe is -1 to AS not +1 to Strength.
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 11:41

So? This isn't WHFB.
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 12:00

So? What? Really this isn't Warhammer Fantasy????

The guy is talking about a Choppa with a +1 Strength, so why would he use an axe???
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 12:07

The choppa wasn't invented until 250 years before WHFB, Mordheim is 500 years before WHFB.
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 12:09

Then use a halberd. But JAFisher44 is right, so I guess it's irrelevant.
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 13:49

Mordheim can be in anytime you want it to be in.

If you have the actually rule book read the last few pages. Tuomas talked about creating any setting you want for Mordheim.

This is a general time frame as MOrdheim really never existed until Tuomas made it up.

Now, after 10 years you can see a few things with Mordheim on it but look back before 1999 Mordheim was never listed as it had not been thought up yet.
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 14:22

I was kidding.
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 14:27

JAFisher44 wrote:
I was kidding.

HAHAHAHA Bank!
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 14:35

@PIT..????
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 15:10

I agree with the Morning Star idea: +1 Strength in the first round, can't use with a second weapon (but can with shield.) If so, offer your warband access to the "Bulging Muscles" skill (gains the Flail/Morning Star bonus after the first round.) Costs 15gc, but won't overpower others.
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 15:41

I've never understood the idea of the bulging muscles skill.. you can take a skill and buy a weapon for 15g that gives +1 strength and can only be used with shield..
or you can pick mighty blow and get a sword/axe/mace for 10/5/3 with special skills and +1 strength and compability to be used with all other weapons as well..
as for flail - it's just 2handed weapon with strongman..
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 16:38

Look at the nemesis crown site guys, black orcs equiment list:

http://cianty.ashtonsanders.com/nc/pdf/nc-03-05-blackorcs.pdf

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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Mon 2 Feb 2009 - 22:12

Oh good catch Pyyr! Looks like great minds think alike!
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Tue 3 Feb 2009 - 6:00

Da Bank wrote:

Now, after 10 years you can see a few things with Mordheim on it but look back before 1999 Mordheim was never listed as it had not been thought up yet.

I was 7 years old in 1999.
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Tue 3 Feb 2009 - 10:02

Da Bank wrote:
So? What? Really this isn't Warhammer Fantasy????

The guy is talking about a Choppa with a +1 Strength, so why would he use an axe???

he said +1 to injury

thats a weapon with built-in "strike to injure" skill
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Tue 3 Feb 2009 - 11:41

Well a skill is 40GC for a one-off, and the cost difference between a bow and long bow (a bow with eagle-eyes is the same as a longbow) is 5GC. So this weapon:

Code:

Range                      Strength          Special rules
Close-Combat          As user          1+ to injurys

...should be between 5 and 40GC. I'm really helpful, aren't I? Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Tue 3 Feb 2009 - 12:15

Well, when basing it on the club, which is +1 on the injury table for knocked down at a cost of 3gc , it should be 6gc Smile
I think something between 5 and 10 is alright, as you don't have any modifiers on to wound or armour save rolls.
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Tue 3 Feb 2009 - 12:56

Eureka! It's just hunting arrows for CC! That'll give a reasonable price...
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Tue 3 Feb 2009 - 13:54

+1 to Strength would keep it in line with Warhammer. Either way...up the price.
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PostSubject: Re: Choppas!?!   Wed 4 Feb 2009 - 4:21

Just thought of something: if you have 1+ to injurys then if combined with strike to injure the injurys chart would look like this:

1-2 Stunned
3-6 OOA

No fair!
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