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Do you find the name 'Death Squads' offensive or innapropriate for a game?
YES, most definitely!
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Yes, after I was explain what a Death Squad is.
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Not really... it is a game.
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NO! Sounds cool!
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Sun 28 Dec 2008 - 7:31

To bad Dark Future has already been used by GW for an old "mad max" car game.

Death or Glory is nice but it is the tite to a GW Novel for Ciaphas Cain. Which are really really good. I have have read 5 of the 6 Ciaphas Cain 40K novels and they are great.
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Sun 28 Dec 2008 - 8:59

what do you think about:
Till the last man falls
kill squad
commando strike

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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Sun 28 Dec 2008 - 12:10

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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Sun 28 Dec 2008 - 12:47

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How about Forlorn Hope? This term refers to those unfortunates who are chosen to be the first into the breech. Suspect

Isn't it 'forlorn hoop'? Maybe it's a different pronounciation in the States, like leuitenant (we say: 'left-tenant', dunno why)...
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Sun 28 Dec 2008 - 16:04

For gone Hope
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Sun 28 Dec 2008 - 17:01

Da Bank: My idea behind "Tactica Imperialis" was it's the book issued (and added to) by all Imperium commanders in order to better fight the Imperium's enemies. What better way to research the subject than by sending in a kill team or recon squad to gather info?

Yes, it has a very Imperial emphasis, but so does the 40k rulebook. Everything is written through the eyes of humanity but it doesn't stop the other races being included in the book.
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Sun 28 Dec 2008 - 17:49

@Cat...Trust me I like it. I don't want to overately use a another book name if we don't have too.

I am sure you know what I mean but again, I really like the name. It is one of the best ones mentioned so far.
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Mon 29 Dec 2008 - 11:31

Just checked with a proffesor of language, and she reckons it's 'Forlorne Hoop' (Original Pro. hoop/Current Pro. hope). And we get the saying 'forlorne hope' from it.
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Mon 29 Dec 2008 - 12:05

and "forlorne" sounds like the german word "verloren" (pronounce "Fer-low-ren", meaning "lost") so I suppose there is an ethimological link there?

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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Mon 29 Dec 2008 - 12:35

Chad wrote:
DeafNala wrote:
How about Forlorn Hope? This term
refers to those unfortunates who are chosen to be the first into the
breech. Suspect

Isn't
it 'forlorn hoop'? Maybe it's a different pronounciation in the States,
like leuitenant (we say: 'left-tenant', dunno why)...
You're kind of both right, although 'Forlorn Hope' is the term we now use it originated from the word 'Hoop' which apparently means 'company of men' in Dutch
For some reason most of the names suggested with the word 'death' in
them like (without wanting to pick on anyone but doing so out of necessity!) 'death squads' and 'death commanders' sound a bit immature to
me, I think they're lacking a bit of subtlety...
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Mon 29 Dec 2008 - 21:39

Maybe immature... but then again I play with toy soldiers! HA!

Keep the suggestions coming guys! They are VERY helpful!
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Tue 30 Dec 2008 - 1:06

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and "forlorne" sounds like the german word "verloren" (pronounce "Fer-low-ren", meaning "lost") so I suppose there is an ethimological link there?

German is a WONDEROUSLY precise language. That is exactly what "forlorn hope" means;i.e., lost hope. It dates from the Renaissance as far as referring to a unit of men who were chosen to preform the unenviable task of being the first to storm a breech in a fortress' wall; the probablity of survival was at best minimal. The unfortunates serving in the Forlorn Hope were a mix of condemned men hoping to escape the executioner & a few fool hardy psychos who actually volunteered. In a Landskneht army the men of this company marched under an unadorned red banner.

I just figured as they were an early version of the basically suicidal kill team/death squad that it kind of match the nature of the beast. Of course, I've been wrong before. Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Tue 30 Dec 2008 - 4:36

Cool! Thanks for the historical insight Deaf.

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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Tue 30 Dec 2008 - 12:25

Have you guys seen this?
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Tue 30 Dec 2008 - 14:12

@Jack

Yes we have and it is not what we are looking for. Fortunately or unfortunately only a hand full have seen what we have accomplished and it is 10 times better than WIA.

WIA has some good ideas and thoughts but they did not go into detail how things worked and kept the same stats from 40K and thus you have people running around with strength 7 and 8 weapons. Imagine that for a minute.

It is challenging enough battleing against a strength 5 model in Mordheim.

Our Living Rule is nicely edited and put together quite well, in fact it resembles what a normal rule book would look like and what you would need from a rule book to play a game.
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Tue 30 Dec 2008 - 15:36

Weren't Napoleonic/Late-Georgian (English use these terms interchangeably) sergeants guaranteed a promotion to officer if they led a forlorn hope/hoop/whatever? Maybe something about that could be used. Ont he 'everything-has-'death'-in-it' angle: even Mordheim (Mort, pro. morr, is latin for death) and Necromunda. Maybe you should use an 'origin language' word for death in the title? (Necromaniac, Morwar (double meaning! Always good), etc, etc.)
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Tue 30 Dec 2008 - 15:39

Da Bank wrote:

Our Living Rule is nicely edited and put together quite well, in fact it resembles what a normal rule book would look like and what you would need from a rule book to play a game.

Is it available somewhere? Or are you waiting for a name before you release? Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Tue 30 Dec 2008 - 15:40

Perhaps a Latin name is quite a good idea. It would fit with Index Astartes, Ordo Malleus, Tactica Imperialis and all. I did A-level Latin in school, so I will see if I can remember something and let you know:)
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Tue 30 Dec 2008 - 15:42

Just a thought: have you tried talking to people who's origins might make them more likely to be offended by 'Death-Squads'?
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Tue 30 Dec 2008 - 16:36

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@Jack

Yes we have and it is not what we are looking for. Fortunately or unfortunately only a hand full have seen what we have accomplished and it is 10 times better than WIA.

WIA has some good ideas and thoughts but they did not go into detail how things worked and kept the same stats from 40K and thus you have people running around with strength 7 and 8 weapons. Imagine that for a minute.

It is challenging enough battleing against a strength 5 model in Mordheim.

Our Living Rule is nicely edited and put together quite well, in fact it resembles what a normal rule book would look like and what you would need from a rule book to play a game.
Ah fair play, incidentally I wasn't meaning to cast aspersions by posting that, was just interested to see what you thought of the competition lol! I've only ever played 40k a couple of times and I've never played Mordheim so I've no idea what the implications of having someone running around with a strength of 10, there's no way I'd know if it was any good! Smile

p.s. Once again I'm looking forward to seeing your game!
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Tue 30 Dec 2008 - 20:03

@Chad...No offense but your suggestion would be never ending as there has been some sort of death squad in almost every continent (Minus Anartica). I see what your are saying but it would never be pratical.

I don't see a problem with the name as my ancestry was affected but such people but that was over 60 years ago. We are in the 21st Century.

Sadly it is not available yet, we do have a private group that is working on it. I don't want to release otherwise there will be never ending question on my PI=MC2 and etc. I want it complete. We have been working on it for six months straight and Mordheimer has done a wonderful job of fluff, editing and etc to make this look like a million bucks.

I am only intersted in showing this to people who will playtest as we need more playtesters than anything. You must be able to play weekly and give feedback.


@Jack
WIA did some nice start work.

Here is something interesting: I used to hate 40K, yes, Hate it. I have always been a Fantasy and Mordheim player but through out my life I love Sci Fi but disliked 40K.

I got with Mordheimer to play some Space Hulk, something new and different as he plays NIDS in 40K and I wanted to play IG instead of Space Marines (as I don't like Space Marines) We made some house rules and our project grew into this.

If you like Mordheim rules (with a few changes) and like SciFi then I feel this is a game that is a blast.


@Eliazar...I like your sugestions. We will see.
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Wed 31 Dec 2008 - 3:22

you mean a million and one bucks Dabank,

Both of you have put in tons of effort to your living rulebook and the game itself and its going to show when its released.

Now who do i have to seduce to get my name into one of the short stories where i look really kick ass?

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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Wed 31 Dec 2008 - 4:28

@duce

Thanks from both me and Mordheimer.

We played again last night and unfortunately my cameras are out of town. No pics.

It was assasinate the High Imperial Magistrium.

My squad was chosen by the Lord General to escort a group of Manufactorum Engineers into an area where the automated factories had shut down.

In the background lurked Orks and they were lead by an Albino Ork.

Once the shooting started three of teh engineers when running as if you had rolled 2d6 and scatter dice. LOL.

It was a flow of shooting and brutal HTH combat. My squad decided to fall back and take the last remaining Manufactorum Engineer with us.

The Orks Won! but the scenario was also to be decided who protected the highest ranking Engineer. At the end of the game we rolled for each of the 5 Engineers. All the rolls for the first four where between 8 and 10. The last guy to roll for was the one that retreated with my squad and he rolled 11. Even though I lost and had 5 guys OOA I won an objective. yea!

Our noses where blooded by the Albion Ork Nob's warband and we will have justice!
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Wed 31 Dec 2008 - 4:30

Duce wrote:
you mean a million and one bucks Dabank,

Both of you have put in tons of effort to your living rulebook and the game itself and its going to show when its released.

Now who do i have to seduce to get my name into one of the short stories where i look really kick ass?

@Duce.....Get a squad ready, do some scenarios and write us up what happened and I am sure we can find your name on the Big Screen. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Help! We would like suggestions for 40-Based skirmish name!   Wed 31 Dec 2008 - 7:44

DaBank: fair 'nough. My ancestry was affected by WW2 (great-grandad was a Polish Jew who fled the Nazi envasion to England and signed up, after marrying my second generation immigrant grandmum), but, again, it was too long ago to count.
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